Mustakh Ahmed Qadri V/s Abdul Majid Khatri Dev Bandi..
Sharm Magar Dev ke Bando ko Nahi Aati..
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Ashraf ali thanvi ra per kufr ka fatwa kitni wajah se hai aur kis wajah se?
Mustakh Ahmed : Huzur Pak ( عليه سلم) ke Ilm e Ghaib ko Razil Cheezo se Tasbeeh dena Gustakhi hai Awr Huzur ( عليه سلم) ki Shan me Adna si Gustakhi Karna Kufr Hai..Awr Ashraf Thanvi Sahab ki kitab Hifzul Eaman me Ye Gustakhi Maujud Hai..Jis bina par Un Per Hukum e Kufr Hai..Awr Mai Samjhta hu ki Ye Hi Wajah kafi hai..
Abdul Majid Khatri : Sirf mushahbat ki bina per kufr ka fatwa hai?
Mustakh Ahmed : Jee..
Abdul Majid Khatri : Sirf Ahmed Raza ke kehne par kafir nahi hota.
Mustakh Ahmed : Jee bhai..Aap Sahi Kahe Rahe hai..Lekin Aap ko Ye bhi Batana Chahiye Ki Kis ke Kehne se hota hai..Awr Maine to abhi Sarkar Aala Hazrat رضي الله ﺗﻌﺎﻟﯽٰ عنه ka Naam hi nahi liya..Maine Jo Bayan Kiya hai Wo Qura'an O Ahadith Se Sabith Hai, Uss Par Tamaam Fuqaha ke Fatawa Maujud Hai ➡ Ki Huzur ( عليه سلم) Ki Shan Me Adna Si Gustakhi Karna Ya Aisa Jumla Kehne Jo Mohim Taheqir ho..Chahy Niyat Uski Taheqir ki Na ho Magar Kehnewala Kafir ho jaata hai..Awr Jaise Aapne Kaha ki Aala Hazrat ke Kehne Se Koi Kafir Nahi Hota, Waise hi Aap ke Kehne Se Bhi Koi Musalman Nahi hota..Awr Khas Taur Per Wo Shakhs Jis per Uss Waqt ke Ulama ne Kufr Ka Fatwa Diya Ho..Awr Jis Wajah Se Diya hai Wo Aaj bhi Uss Kitab Ki Zinat Bani Ho..
Abdul Majid Khatri : Matlab us daur me koi fiqha ya allah ka koi wali ya koi olama nahi the?
Mustakh Ahmed : The Bhai..
Abdul Majid Khatri: To fir dosre Olama ko e gustakhi kyo nahi dikhayi di ?
Mustakh Ahmed :Bhai Shayd Aap mere Post Padhe nahi ya Bina Padhe Hi Post Kar rahe hai? Awr Ager Padh kar Kar rahe hai to Shayed Samajh Nahi Rahe Hai..Awr Agar Samjh Rahe hai to Pata Nahi Fir Kyo Aesi Baate Apni Post Me Kar Rahe hai Jo Maine Nahi Kiya..Uss Dawr Me Dusre Ulama Ka Inkar Maine Nahi Kiya..Ye Baate Bina Wajah Aap Cher Rahe Hai..
Abdul Majid Khatri: To thik hai Matlab aap khud ye fatwa de rahe hai.
Mustakh Ahmed : Ab Rahi Baat Uss Waqt Me Dosre Ulama Ko Dikhi Ya Nahi..To Ye Aap ki Na Waqfiyat ka Natija Hai..Khair Aapke Ilm me Izafa Karta chalu..Uss Waqt Ke Hind O Barma Awr Deegar Ulama Jinki Tadad 250 ya 350 ke Kareeb Ulama ne Un per Kufr Ka Fatwa Diya Hai..Awr Harmain Sharifain ke 33 Ulama bhi Is me Shamil hai..
Abdul Majid Khatri : Harmain Sharifain wale jo bhi fatwa denge wo aap ki nazar me sahi hai?
Mustakh Ahmed :
[[[To thik hai matlab Aap Khud ye fatwa de rahe hai?]]]
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Janab, Fatwa To Ulama Ne Hi Diya Hai..Lekin Shayed Aap Apni Baat Bhool Gaye..Aap ne Kaha ki Aala Hazrat Ne Kaha..Ya Aap ko Kehna Awr Fatwa Me Farq Nahi Malum..
[[[ Harmain Sharifain wale jo bhi fatwa denge wo aap ki nazar me sahi hai? ]]]
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Janab, Abhi to Aap Kah Rahe the ki Doosre Ulama Nahi the kya..Jab Maine Doosre Bata diye to Aapne Suwal hi badal Diya ?
Abdul Majid Khatri : Aap kis ki man kar thanvi ra per kufr aid kar rahe hai?
Mustakh Ahmed : Bhai Ek Baat Batao..Ki Aap Ashref Thanvi Ko Kafir Kyo Nahi Maante?
1)..Kya Aala Hazrat Ne Fatwa Diya Is Liye?
2)..Ya Waqt Ke Ulama Ko Nazar Nahi Aya Is Liye (Baqaul Aap ke).
3)..Ya Ulama E Harmain Ka Har Fatwa Hamari Nazar Me Sahi Nahi(Baqaul Aapke) Hai Is Liye.?
4)..Ya Aap Ko Koi Gustakhi Nazar Nahi Aayi Is Liye?
Abdul Majid Khatri :Thanvi ra ke kitab me koi gustakhi nahi hai. Ibarat awwal ta aakhir barabar hai aur rahi baat gustakhi ki to olma e ahle sunnat deoband ke nazdeek bhi kufra hai.
Mustakh Ahmed: Bhai Jab Aap Inme Se Kisi bhi Wajah Se Kafir Nahi Maante..Balke Aap Kahe Rahe Hai Ki Ibarat Me Gustakhi Nahi Hai, Iss Wajah Se Nahi Maante, To Baat Ibarat per Honi Chahiye Na ki Un Cheezo per Jo Aap Kar Rahe The..Awr Ager Mai Sahi Hu To Aap Ka Sawalat Karna Kya Bemaana Nahi Hai?
Aap ko To Ye Baat Karni Hai Ki Ibarat Sahi Hai Awr Aala Hazrat Ne Galthi Ki Hai Ki Ibarat Ko Galath Samjha..Awr Ham ko Ye Batana Hai Ki Wo Ibarat Me Gustakhi Hai..Aap Meri Ek Baat Se To Sehmat Honge ki Wo Ibarat Galath Hai, To Ager Aala Hazrat Fatwa Na bhi Dete To Kehnewala Kafir Ho Jaata..Fir Ibarat Chorkar Gair Mutaleqa Bahas Se Kya Fayda ?
Abdul Majid Khatri: Are bhai humne to barelvi olama ke har bayan me ye baat suni hai ke olama ne kafir kaha wagera wagera.
Aur dusri baat jab ibarat kufriya thi to khan sahab ko arab jane ki zarurat kyoun padi ?
Mustakh Ahmed : Phir Gair Mutaleqa Bahes Kar Rahe Hai Aap. Aap ko Sabit Ye Karna Hai Ki Wo Ibarat Me Gustakhi Nahi Hai..
[[[ Aur dusri baat jab ibarat kufriya thi to khan sahab ko arab jane ki zarurat kyoun padi ?]]]
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Jab Aapke Aqeede Kufriya Nahi the to Aapko Arab Kyo Jaana Padha?..Awr Jab Aapke Aalim Sahab Kitab Likhte hai to Kyo Doosro se Us par Taqreez Lete hai.?
Iska Matlab Ye Hua ki Koi Dusro Se Taqreez Le To Wo Galath Ho Jata Hai? Ya Is ko Aise Bhi Samjho Ki Aap Jaise Logo ke liye Ulama e Arab Se Fatawa Liya Gaya..Kyon ki Aap Logo Ko Jab Tak Malum Nahi Hota Ke Dusre Ulama ne Bhi Kufr Ka Fatwa Diya Hai..Aap Kahete Rahete Hai Ki Dusre Ulama Ko Nahi Dikha, Awr Jab Dusre Ulama Se Bataya Jata Hai to Kahete Hai Wo Ibarat Me Kufr Tha To Dusro Ke Pas Jane Ki Zarurat Hi Kya Thi ❗❗
Matlab Ham Nahi MANENGE..Sirf Baate Banayenge. Goya Dusro Ki Taid Lene Se Wo Ibarat Kufr Na Rahe Gayi..
Abdul Majid Khatri :
Sabse pehle baat aapke hisab se e be matlab baat hai ke barelvi Olama Arab ke olama ka naam lete hai.
Mustakh Ahmed : Nahi Wo Matlab Ki Baat Hai.Lekin Aap ke Liye Sud Mand Nahi..Kyonki Aapko Ibarat me Gustakhi Nahi Dikhi..Awr Aap Ne Pahele Suwal Hi Jo Kiya Tha Us Ke Khilaf Bhi Hai Ye..
Abdul Majid Khatri: Dusri baat jab ahmad raza ko takreez karna tha to olama e arab ke samne puri ibarat rakhni chahiye khayanat se kam nahi lena chahiye tha.
Mustakh Ahmed : Mai bhi Keh Raha hu Ki Poori Ibarat Aap Yaha par Rakho Awr Housla Karo uss Ibarat Par Baat Karne Ki..Awr Aap Aala Hazrat Ka Naam Adab Se Le..
Mustakh Ahmed:
[[[ Abdul Majid Khatri :Thanvi ra ke kitab me koi gustakhi nahi hai.Ibarat awwal ta aakhir barabar hai.aur rahi baat gustakhi ki to olma e ahle sunnat deoband ke nazdeek bhi kufra hai.]]]
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Ye Raha Aapka Jawab..
Awr Mera Jawab bhi Aap Scroll karke Upar Padh Sakte Ho...
Abdul Majid Khatri: Matlab Jo Bhi Gustakhi Karega Aap Khud Us per Fatwa lagayenge ya apne olama se puchenge?
Mustakh Ahmed: Aap Baat Ko Ghuma Rahe Hai..Is se Sabit Hota Hai ki Us Ibarat Ko Islami Sabit Karne Ka Aapke Andar Housla Nahi Hai..Ager Aap Gair Mutaleqa Bahes Chahte Hai To Koi Baat Nahi..Mai Bhi Aap hi Ki Andaz Me Baat Karta Hu..
Abdul Majid Khatri :
Aap hi kah rahe the arab olama se kya matlab aap hi kah rahe ho dusre olama se kya matlab isi liye mai puchh raha hoon ke aap ne kitab padh kar kufra ka fatwa lagaya hai ya olama se sunkar?
Mustakh Ahmed: Bhai Maine Aap ke Jawab Per Ye Kaha..Kyo Ki Aap ne Kaha Ki Mai Is Liye Kafir Nahi Manta Ke us Ibarat Gustakhi Nahi Hai..To Maine Ye Kaha Ke Aap Jo Suwal Kar Rahe Hai Ulama Ke Baare Me To Apas Mutazad Bhi Hai Awr Aap Ko Us Se Koi Matlab Bhi Nahi Hai..Jab Aap Kafir Nahi Maante Awr Us ki Wajah Us Ibarat Ka Sahi Hona Mante Hai..To Bahes Kis per Honi Chahiye?..Aap Itni Asan Baat Bhi Nahi Samajh Rahe Hai?..Ya Thanvi Sahab Ki Mohabbat Samjhne Nahi De Rahi Hai..Wo Aap Behtar Jaante Hai..
Abdul Majid Khatri: Tho thik hai aap ke olama ne puri baat nahi batayee to aap bata dijiye.
Mustakh Ahmed: Janab Ye Aap Ka Kehna Hai Ki Poori Ibarat Nahi Batayi..Mera Nahi..To Poori Ibarat Aap Ko Batana Hai Jis se Thanvi Sahab Kufr Ki Zad Se Bach Jaye..
Na Ke Mujhe..Awr Waise Bhi Aap ne Aadhi Ibarat Ka Man kar Ulama E Arab Ke Kufr Ka Fatwa Qubul to Kar hi Liya Hai...
Abdul Majid Khatri: Ye rahi puri ibarat
Aap swa ki zaate mukaddasa per aalimul ghaib ka hukm kiya jana agar baqaol zaid sahi ho to daryaft talab amra ye hai ke is ghaib se murad kul ghaib hai ya baaz agar baaz ulume ghaibiya murad hai to isme huzur hi ki kya takhsis aisa ilme ghaib to zaid umer balke sabi majnoon wa brahim ke liye bhi hasil hai to chahiye ke sab ko aalimul ghaib kaha jawe kyoun ke har shaks ko kisi aisi bat ka ilm hota hai jo dusre shaksh se makhfi hai..
Mustakh Ahmed : Aap Check kar le Janab, Aap ne Jo Ibarat Pesh Ki Hai Wo Hu Ba Hu Hifzul Iman Hi Ki Hai..
Abdul Majid Khatri : Hu ba hu to nahi magar maqsad samjh me aa gaya.
Mustakh Ahmed: Janab, Maqsad to Ibarat se Samjh Aayega To Aap Ibarat Pesh kare.
Mustakh Ahmed: Aap ko Ibarat Pesh Karne ke Liye Kaha Gaya Awr Aap Maqsad Pesh Karne Me Lag Gaye..Aapko Thanvi Sahab se Kuch Ziyada hi Mohabbat Hai..
Abdul Majid Khatri : Ibarat to pesh kar di.
Rahi baat mohabbat ki to sarkar saws se walyon se sachche olama se allah ke hame akabire devband jaisi mahabbat farmaye aamin
Mustakh Ahmed :
Aap ne Kaha ki O Ibarat Nahi hai..
[[[ Rahi baat mohabbat ki to sarkar saws se walyon se sachche olama se allah ke hame akabire devband jaisi mahabbat farmaye aamin]]]
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Iss me bhi Akabir Devband Jaisi..Haa..Haa..Haa..
Duwa Kar Rahe Hai Ya Badhawa De Rahe Hai..Haa.Haa..
Abdul Majid Khatri: Dua kar raha hoon
Mustakh Ahmed : Khair Naseeb Apna Apna..
Awr Janab, Aap ne Ek Jagah Kaha Ki Wo Ibarat Nahi Balki Aap Maqsad Samjha Rahe hai..Aap Shayad Mafhum Kehna Chah Rahe The..Awr Dusri Hi Post me Aap Keh Rahe Hai ki Aap ne Ibarat Pesh Ki Hai..Aap hi ke In Do Posts me se Mai Kise Sahi Maanu?
Awr Jaha tak Mere Naqis Ilm Ki Baat Hai To Mafhum Koi Ibarat Ka Pesh Kiya Jata Hai, Awr Yaha per Ibarat Hi Mafqud..
Abdul Majid Khatri : Aap ne kya kaha mai kuch samjha nahi
Mustakh Ahmed :Bhai Aapne Ibarat Pesh ki Hai?
Abdul Majid Khatri : Ha
Mustakh Ahmed: Yahi Ibarat Hifzul Iman me Hai?
Abdul Majid Khatri : Ha
Mustakh Ahmed: Soch kar Kahe kyonki Jab Mai Ibarat Pesh Karunga to Aapko Ye Kehne Ka Mauqa Nahi Hoga Ki Maine Apni Taraf Se Baat Pesh Kardi..
Abdul Majid Khatri : Thik hai sonch liya
Mustakh Ahmed : Theek Hai Janab, Mai Aapki Kitab ki Ibarat Pesh Kardeta Hu..Dekhte Hai Kitna Sadaqat se Kaam Liya Hai Aapne..
Abdul Majid Khatri: Barabar
Mustakh Ahmed: Kya Barabar? Matlab Aapne Kuch Awr Pesh Kiya Tha..Ye Dhoka Huwa Na?
Abdul Majid Khatri: Same to hai
Mustakh Ahmed : Kaha Same Hai? Maine Jo Pesh Kiya Hai Us Ko Type kare Please, Taake Dusro ko bhi Samajh Aye ki Same hai Ya Alag..Chaliye Mai Aapke Liye Asan Kardeta hu...
Abdul Majid Khatri : Aap jo meri galti bata rahe hai mai manta hoo.
Mustakh Ahmed: Shukriya Bhai..Bahot Mehnat Karate Hai Aap.Chaliye Ab Asal Mauzu Ki Taraf..Mai is ko 3 Tarah Se Kufr Sabit Karunga..In Sha Allah..
1)...Aap ka Qaul , Jo Aap Upar Bayan Kar Aaye Hao Us se..
2)..Aap Ke Ulama Se..
3)..Un Ulama se Jinhone Hukum e Kufr Diya, Usme Aala Hazrat Bhi Shamil Hai..Theek Hai?
Abdul Majid Khatri: Awwal se aakhir me kya kufra hai ?
Mustakh Ahmed : Wo hi Sabit Karna Hai Bhai..
Abdul Majid Khatri : To karo bhai.
Mustakh Ahmed : Ab Aap Bataye, Aap ne Kaha Ke Aala Hazrat Ne Ulama E Arab Ke Samne Poori Ibarat Pesh Nahi Ki..Ye Sahi Hai? Ab Poori Ibarat Wo Hai Jo Maine Scan Me Di Hai..
Abdul Majid Khatri : Bilkul sahi hai. Ha
Mustakh Ahmed : Yaani E Ibarat Waha per Pesh Nahi Huwi?
Abdul Majid Khatri: Bilkul Nahi.
Mustakh Ahmed : Matlab Ye Nikla Ki Ulama E Arab Ka Fatwa Bilkul Durust Hai..Kyonki Wo Ibarat Jo Un ke Samne Pesh Huwi Wo Kufriya Hi Thi, Jis Bina Par Unhone Hukum E Kufr Diya..Bas Aap Ye Kehna Chahte Hai Ki Wo Ibarat Thanvi Sahab Ki Nahi Hai?
Abdul Majid Khatri: Thanvi rahmatrallah ki hi hai.
Mustakh Ahmed : Matlab Aap E Kehna Chah rahe hai Ki Ulama e Arab Ne Fatwa Galath Diya Awr Ibarat Sahi Pesh Huwi Thi?
Abdul Majid : Ibarat galat pesh ki thi isi liye arab olama ne fatwa diya tha.
Mustakh Ahmed : Wo Hi to Pooch Raha Tha Bhai..Matlab Aap Mante Hai Ki Ulama E Arab Ke Samne Aala Hazrat Ne Galat Ibarat Pesh Ki Hai..
Abdul Majid : Ha
Mustakh Ahmed : Awr Jo Sahi Ibarat Thi, Jo Is Pic Me Dekh Rahe Hai Wo Pesh Nahi Huwi..
Abdul Majid: Lagta Hai aapne hussamail harmain kitab nahi padi..
Mustakh Ahmed : Ye Mere Suwal Ka Jawab nahi hai, Aap Sirf Mere Suwal Ka Jawab De Dijiye, Wo Mai Bataunga Waqt Aane per Ki Hussam ul Har ain Kis Ne Nahi Padhi..
Abdul Majid: To aap ye sabit kar dijiye hu bahu khan sahab ne hifzul imam sawal jawab ke sath awwal se aakhir olama e arab ke samne pesh ki ho.
Mustakh Ahmed : Mai Wo Hi Karunfa, Pahle Aap Ye Bata Dijiye ki Un Ke Fatwa Ko Aap Sahi Mante Ho Ya Nahi.? Jo Hussam ul Harmain Me Ulama e Arab Ne Diya Hai?
Abdul Majid : Arab olama se jis tarah sawal hua uske hisab se fatwa diya tha fir badme ruju bhi karliya.
Mustakh Ahmed : Ta'jjub Hai..
Abdul Majid: Sach kadwa hota hai.
Mustakh Ahmed : Sahi hai Wo Dikh Raha Hai..Kyonki Har Martaba Paitre Kaun Badal Raha Hai, Pahle Aap ne Kaha Ibarat Sahi Pesh Nahi Ki Gayi,..Fir Ibarat Se Suwal per Chaley Gaye Awr Kaha Ki Jaisa Suwal Kiya Waise Jawab Aiya..Fir Kahete Ho Ki Ulama e Arab Ne Ruju Kar Liya tha..Janab e Man, Jab Ibarat Hi Galath Pesh Ki thi to Fatwa Thanvi Sahab Par Kaise Aa Sakta Hai ? Awr Jab Fatwa Unpar Aaya Hi Nahi To Ruju Kis Cheez Ka? Aap Bahot Confused Malum Hote Hai..
Abdul Majid : Kanfuse to mujhe aap lag rahe hai
Mustakh Ahmed : Tazad Kiski Bato me paya Jaa Raha Hai?
Agar Meri, To Nishan dahi Kare..Mai To Kar Hi Chuka Hu Awr Age Badhiye..Aap ke Ulama ke Bhi Confusion Rakhunga Aap ke Samne..
Abdul Majid : Maine kaha khan sahab ne puri ibarat awwal ta akhir olama e arab ke samne nahi ki warna sabit karo.
Mustakh Ahmed: Nahi Ki Na? To Jo Ki Hai Wo Kufriya Thi Ya Nahi?
Kyonki wo to Thanvi Sahab ki Ibarat Thi Hi Nahi(Ba Qaul Aapke)..
To Fatwa bhi To Thanvi Sahab Per Nahi Ayega..Fatwa us per Aiyega Jis Ki Ibarat Thi..Sahi Kaha Na Maine? Ya Aap Ye Kehna Chah Rahe Hai ki Wo Thanvi Sahan Ki Ibarat Thi..Jo Pesh huwi lekin Puri Pesh Nahi Huwi.?
Abdul Majid: Matlab aapne ye maan liya ke khan sahab ne puri ibarat pesh nahi ki?
Mustakh Ahmed : Maine Suwal Kiya Hai Aapse..
Abdul Majid : Ha
Mustakh Ahmed: To is me Mere Maanne Ki Kya Baat Hai? Aap Suwal Awr Mauqif me Fark Nahi Samjhte?
Abdul Majid: Lagta hai aap meri baat nahi samjhe ab mai samjhata hoon maine ye kaha khan sahab ne arab olama ko dhoka de kar fatwai kufra liya hai baad me jab arab ke olama ko haqeeqat maloom huyi to unho ne rujuh kar liya aaya samjh me ?
Mustakh Ahmed: Chaliye Is Per Aap se 2 Me Koi Bhi Taraf Se Bat Kar leta hu..Awr Ikhteyar Aapko Deta hu ki Aap Kounsa Rasta Chunte Hai..
1)..Aala Hazrat ne Wo Dhoka Kiya Hai...[Dhoka Sabit Na Hone Ke Surat Me Thanvi Sahab Par Kufr Sabit Ayega..
2)..Ulama e Arab Ka Rujuh..[Ager Aap Sabit Na Kar Paye To Fir se Thanvi Sahab Kafir Sabit Ho Jayenge..
Kahiye, Kis per Guftagu Karna Padand Karenge ???
Abduk Majid : Dhoka sabit hone per khaj sahab per kya hukm hai aur rujuh hone per kya hukm hai?
Mustakh Ahmed : Bhai Jo Musalman Ko Kafir Kahe Wo Khud Kafir Ho Jaega..Awr Jo Kafir Ko Musalman Maane Wo Bhi Kafir..Kahiye Kya Kehte Ho Aap?
Abdul Majid : Bilkul sahi hai.
Mustakh Ahmed: Ab Kahiye Kis Per Baat Karni Hai?
Abdul Majid: 1 no.
Mustakh Ahmed : Janab, Chunke Aap Muddayi hai is me, To Daleel bhi Aapke Zimme Hai..
Ab Aap Daleel Dijiye ki Poori Ibarat Kya hai Awr Waha per Kya Pesh Huwi?
Abdul Majid : Puri Ibarat jo aapne bheji hai o sahi hai.
Mustakh Ahmed : Awr Jo Pesh Huwi O Kya Hai?
Abdul Majid: Likhta hu;
Aur in wahabiyo ke bade me ek ye bhi hai ashraf ali thanvi isne ek risala tasnif ki jo 4 warak ki bhi nahi aur is me tashnif ki ke gaib ki jaisi baaton ka ilm huzur ko hai waise to har pagal aur majnoon ko hasil hai aur uski mal un ibarat ye hai aap saws ki zate mukaddasa per ilme gaib ka hukm kiya jana agar baqaole zaid sahi hai to daryaft talab amra ye ke is gaib se murad kul gaib hai ya baaz agar baaz ulume ghaibiya murad hai to isme huzur hi ki kya takhsis aisa ilme gaib to zaid umer baki sabhi haiwanat ko hasil hai...Itni Ibarat likhkar baki sab hazam kar gae aur chalaki e ki ke urdu me likha kyonki arab olama urdu nahi jante the khud.
Mustakh Ahmed :
Pehli Baat ➡ Ke Aala Hazrat Raziallahu ta'ala anhu Ne Wo Ibarat Urdu Me Pesh Ki Awr Ulama e Arab Ko Urdu Nahi Aati Thi....Aap Ki Ue Baat Kahi Tarah Se Batil Hai...
1)..Sab Se Pahle Aap ko Is Baat Ki Dalil Deni Chahiye Thi,..Jo Apne Nahi Di,..Awr De Bhi Nahi Sakte.
2)..Bil Farz Man Liya Jaye Ki Aap Sahi Kahe Rahe Hai To Kya Un Ulama Ne Sirf Aala Hazrat Ke Kahne Per Itna Sakht Fatwa De Diya ?..Ager Haa To Fir Un ka Aitbar Hi Kya,..Ki jo Kufr Jaise Sakht Hukum Lagane Me Itni Be Ahteyati Kare..
3)..Hona To Ye Chahiye Tha Ki Kam Se Kam Ulama Ek Mytarjim Ko Bulate Awr Phir Hi Koi Hukum Lagate..Aap Ki Baat Man Li Jaye To Ulama e Arab Ka Kirdar Majruh Hota Hai, Kyonki Unhone Aisa Kuch Bhi Nahi Kiya Awr Ek Hind Se Aaye Huwe Ajnabi Ki Baat Per Kufr Jaisa Fatwa Sadir Kar Diya..Jab Baat Aisi Hi Thi, To Aap ke Ulama Awr Aap Un Ulama Ko Kyon Apne Akabir Me Shumar Karte Hai,..Jin ko Fatwa Dene ka Saliqa Bhi Nahi Tha?
4)..Aiye Ab Aap Ko Aap Ke Ghar Se Is ka Subut Deta Hu ki Ye Sari Baate Waha per Arabi Me Pesh Huwi...Aap Ki Jama'at Ke Ek Bhaut Bade Aalim Manzur Nomani Sahab, Apni Kitab "Fatuhat e Nimmaniya" ke Safa No.16 per Likhte hai ki;...➡Ke Ye Kitabe Urdu Me Likhi Gayi Thi, Awr Ahmed Raza Sahab Ne Is ka Arabi Me Tarjuma Kiya Awr Ulama Ke Samne Pesh Kiya, Ab Chunke Unhone Is Ka Lafzi Tarjuma Kiya Tha Awr Lafzi Tarjuma Qura'an Ka Bhi Kiya Jaye To Be Adbi Hai(Jis se Ibarat Ka Mafhum Badal Jaata Hai)⬅⬅
Janab, Ab Aap hi Bataye ki Aap ki Jama'at ke Bahut Bade Aalim Jo Ke Munazir bhi Rahe Chuke Hai Wo to Kahe Rahe Hai ki Aala Hazrat Ne Ye Baat Waha per Arabi me Pesh ki..Haa Un ko is Baat Ki Shikayat Hai(Ba Qaul Un Ke) Ki Aala Hazrat Ne Us Ibarat Ka Lafzi Tarjuma Diya, Awr Lafzi Tarjuma ager Qura'an Ka Bhi Kiya Jaye To Be Adbi Hai..Ab Ye Baat To Subut Ki Mohataj Hai Ki Aala Hazrat Ne Wahan per Lafzi Tarjuma Pesh Kiya Hai Ya Nahi..Lekin Ye Baat Kahe kar Nomani Sahab Thanvi Sab Ko Bachane ki Koshish Karte Huwe Ye Bhool Gaye Ki Qura'an ka Lafzi Tarjuma Karne Wale Bhi Thanvi Sahab Hi Hai..Jo Ke Nomani Sahab Ke Nazdik Bhi Beadbi Hai..
5)..Sab se Badi Daleel Aap Hi Qalam se,..Jaise ke Aap Ka Kahena Hai Ki Aala Hazrat Ne Wo Ibarat Urdu Me Pesh Ki,..Awr Ulama e Arab Urdu Nahi Jante the..Fir Age Chal kar Aap ek Aisi Baat Karte hai ki Aala Hazrat Ne Adhi Ibarat Pesh Ki. Aap ka Dusra Jumla Pahele ki Nafi Kar Raha Hai..Awr Pahele Dusre Ki..
Seedhi si Baat Hai, Jab Ulama Urdu Jante Hi Nahi The Sirf Aala Hazrat ke Kahene per Fatwa De Diya,..To Aala Hazrat Ko Adhi Ibarat Pesh Karne Ki Zarurat Hi Kya Thi? Poori Kitab bhi Bata Dete To Fatwa Wo Hi Aata,..Kyonki Fatwa Ibarat Dekh Kar Nahi Aala Hazrat Ne Jo Kaha Hai Us per Aiya Hai(Ba Qaul Aap ke)..
Ab Aap hi Kahiye ki Kya Yaha Ye Qayda Sadiq Nahi Aata Ki Jhoot ko Sirf Jhoot se Hi Sabit Kiya Jaa Sakta Hai..?Awr Ager Aapki Dusri Baat Maan Li Jaye (Adhi Ibarat wali) , To Sabit Hota Hai Ki Ulama Ne Ibarat Dekh Kar Fatwa Diya Hai..Natija➡ Ibarat Arabi Me Pesh Huwi..
Abdul Majid: Sabse pehli baat me meri galti hai ke urdu me pesh hui..mai ye kahna chahta tha yaha ki kitabe urdu me thi waha ke olama urdu nahi jante the..isi liye aala Hazrat ne khayanat ki..Aur rahi baat dhoke ki mera yahi kahna hai ke aala hazrat ne khayanat se kam liya matlab adhuri ibarat pesh ki..Aur Aala Hazrat ne hussamail harmain me pahle qadyaniyo ke talluq se likha phir is tarah likha ke inhi qadyaniyo me se ek firqa wahabiya bhi hai..Kyou ke waha olama e devband ka ya tabligi jamat ka nam nahi liya. Kyou ke olama e devband ke bare me woh log jante the aur qadyaniyo ke bare me bhi achchi tarah jante the. Aur ek baat age ki ibarat unki bachti hai yahi sahi hai. Aur ager aapke hisab se isme waqayi me mushahbat hai to kis lafz ke bina per hai ye bata dijiye..
[21/12/2014 2:03 AM] Mushtaq Ahmed:
Chaliye Achchi Bat Hai Ki Aap Ne Apni Galti Ko Man To Liya..Lekin Ye Kya Aap Ne Phir Ek Nai Bat Kahe Di..➡Ki Aala Hazrat Ne Pahele Qadiyano ke Taluq Se Likha Phir Likha Ki Qadiyanio Me Se Ek Firqa ⬅..Janab, Mai Ne Pahele Hi Aap Se Pucha Tha Ki Aap Kyon Nahi Mante Jis Ki Aap Ne 2 Wajah Batayi..Ab Ek Se Ruju Kar Liya......Lekin Ek Nayi Wajah Pesh Kar Di..Ager Isi Tarah Chalta raha To Aap Nayi Nayi Bate pesh karte Rahenge Awr mai Jawabat Deta Rahunga..To Bat Apne Anjum tak Nahi Paunch Payegi. Khair, Aap Ne Zikr Kar Hi Diya Hai To Mai Is Ka Bhi Jawab De Deta Hu..Lekin Ainda Se Khayal Rakhe Ki Humara Topic Tai Ho Chuka Hai. Ab Nayi Nayi Bate Pesh Kar Ke Siwaye Waqt Barbad Karne Ke Alawa Kuch Nahi Hone Wala.Ab Aiye Aap Ke Mouzu Ki Taraf ..Kul Is Me Aap Ne 3 Points Ka zikr Kiya Hai..;
1)..Pahele Qadiyaniyon Ka zikr, Aur Phir Ye Ki Un Hi Me Ka Ek Firqa..
2)..Ulama E Dev Band Ka Naam Nahi Liya..Na Hi Tabligi Jama'at Ka.
3)..Kyon Ki Ulama e Dev Band K Bare me Wo Jante The,..Ab Mai Ek Ek Kar Ke Jawabat Deta Hu.;
Ye Bat To Sahi Hai Ki Pahele Qadiyani Ka Zikr Huwa, Lekin Ye Baat Galath Ki ➡Un Hi Me Ka Ek Firqa Wahabiya ⬅. Halanke Aisa Bhi Kahete To Kuch farq Nahi Padhta. Kyon ki Fatwa Ibarat Per Aata Hai Na ki Dev Bandi Ya Qadiyani Hone Ki Wajah Se..Aap bhi Is Se Ittefaq Rakhenge ki Ager kisi Ne Kufr Kiya To Ye Nahi Dekha jayega ki Wo Qadiyani hai ya Dev Bandi, Ki Kufr Dev Bandi Ke Karne se Islam Nahi Ho Jata. Ab Aiye Mai Aap Ko Is Ka Subut Deta Hu ki Waha Per Kya Kaha Gaya..⬇⬇⬇⬇
Ye Pahela Page Hai "Hussam Ul Harmain " Ka..Is Me Sarkar Aala Hazrat (رضی اللہ تعالٰی عنہ)Ne Ek Hadith Naqal Ki Hai..Mafhum Ye Hai ➡ Ki Admi Subah Ko Musalman Hoga To Sham Ko Kafir ⬅.Dusri Baat Uper Aap Padh Sakte hai ki Saaf Saaf Likha hai Ki ➡ Baaz Firqe Jo Humare Shahero Aur Zamane Me Paye Jate Hai..
Ye Hai Agla Safa..Is Me Farma Rahe Hai ki Un Me Se Ek Firqa "Mirzaiya" Hai..Kin Me Se..Jo Aala Hazrat Ke Dawr Me Paye Jate Hai..Na Ki Qadiyani Me Se Ek Firqa 'Wahabi' Hai.Ab Is ke Agle Page Per Bhi Sirf Mirza Ki Kufriyat Bataye Gaye Hai..Phir Aata Hai Agla Page..
2)..Bat Aap Kahete Hai ki Ulama e Dev Band Ka Naam Nahi Liya aur Na Hi Tabligi Jama'at Ka..Mai Aap Ki Malumat Me Izafa Kar Du..Ki Fatwa 1905 Me Aiye Aur Tabligi Jama'at 1921 Me Qaym Huwi..Hawala ➡Maulana Iliyas Ki "Deeni Dawat"..To Jab Tabligi Jama'at Ka Wajud Hi Nahi Tha To Aap Ka Ye Shikayat Karna Ki Tabligi Jama'at Ka Naam Nahi Liya..Kya Koi Aqal mand Se Aise Suwal Ki Tawaqu Ki Jaa Sakti Hai ?Awr Raha Ulama Dev Band Ka Naam Na lena, To Mere Bhai Fatwa Naam Le Kar Hi Aiya Hai..Mai Us Ka Bhi Ek Pic Dal Deta hu..
Ye Fatwa Hai "Mohammad Sayeed Ba Baseel" Ka..Is Me Aap Dekh Sakte Hai Ki Wo Khud Kahe Rahe Hai Ki Naam Ka Zikr Kiya Gaya..
Lijiye Aur Saf Bata Deta Hu..Ye Fatwa Hai "Maulana Sayed Ismail Khalil" (رحمت اللہ علیہ) ka Is Me Saf Saf Naam Le Kar Unhone Inhe Kafir Kaha Hai..Aur Jo Un Ke Kufr per Agah Ho Kar Un Ke Kufr me Shak Kare Ya Azab Me shak Kare Unhe Bhi Kafir Kaha hai..
▶ Ab Aap Ye Bhi Nahi Kahe Sakte ki Naam To Liya Gaya Lekin Ye Nahi Bataya Ki Ye Ulama e Dev Band Hai..Kyonki Aap Qubul kar Chuke Hai ki Ulama E Dev band ko Ulama e Arab pahchante The..Akhri Bat..Fatwa Ibarat Per Aaya Hai.Kya Aap Ye To Nahi Kahena Chahate Ki Ager Ulma E Dev Band Kahe Diya jata...To Wo Ulma Is Ke Islami Hone Ka Fatwa Dete?..Ma'az Allah..Lekin Aap Jaise Suljhe Huwe Insan se Aisi Bat Ki Tawaqu Nahi...To Sabit Huwa Ki Waha Per Naam Le Kar Bataya Gaya Aur Fatwa Un Ibarato Per Aaya..Ab Wo Chahay Dev bandi Ki Ho Ya Kisi Aur Ki...
[21/12/2014 1:21 PM] Abdul Majid: Aap meri baat nahi samajh pa rahe hai.Ab baat aage badhane se accha ye behter hoga ke aap ye sabit kar dijiye Ke hifzul iman ki ibarat me mushahbat kis lafz ki bina per hai. Akhri baat maine kaha tha mujhe perfect likhna nahi aata aur koi baat samajh me na aai to phone per puch lena.Aur rahi baat khayanat ki mera yahi kahna hai ke aala hazrat ne khayanat se kam liya.
[24/12/2014 6:15 AM] Mushtaq Ahmed: "Abdul Majid ka Comment➡ [[[ Aap meri baat nahi samajh pa rahe hai ]]]
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Alafz Se Jo Matlab Samjh Aye Use Maana Kaha Jata Hai..Ab Aap Ke Alfaz Se Jo Samjh Aa raha Hai Mai Wo Hi Samjh raha Hu..Aur usi Ka Jawab de Raha Hu..
Abdul majid ka Comment⬇⬇⬇
[[[ Akhri baat maine kaha tha mujhe perfect likhna nahi aata aur koi baat samajh me na aai to phone per puch lena ]]]
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Dekhiye Yaha Aap Ne Khud iqrar Kar Liya Ki Aap Ko Sahi Se Likhna Nahi Aata..Phir Us Ka Ilzam mere Sar Kyon ? Ki Mai Nahi Samjh Pa Raha Hu..
Abdul majid ka Cimment ⬇⬇⬇
[[[ Aur rahi baat khayanat ki mera yahi kahna hai ke aala hazrat ne khayanat se kam liya ]]]
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Ab Aap Aala Hazrat Ki Qayanat Sabit Kar Dijijye..Aur Sabit Na Karne Ki Surat Me Aap ki Ek Wajah Galath Sabit Ho Jayegi, Jaise Ki Humara Tai Ho Chuka Hai Ki, Aap ne Do Wajah Batayi Thi...Ek Aala Hazrat Ka Dhoka, Dusra Ulama e Arab Ka Ruju ...Jab aap Aala Hazrat Ki Qayanat Sabit Nahi Kar Payenge To Ek Wajah Batil Sabit Hogi..Phir Hum Ulama e Arab Ke Ruju Per Bat Karenge..Aur Jab Aap Wo bhi Nahi Sabit kar paye To Masla Apne Anjum Ko Paunch jayega..
[24/12/2014 12:24 PM] Abdul Majid: Aala hazrat ki khayanat.
[24/12/2014 5:46 PM] Mushtaq Ahmed: To Wo Qayanat Kya Thi ?
[24/12/2014 1:44 PM] Abdul Majid: Hifzul iman me jo ibarat thi janwaro pagalo ko hasil hai, itni ibarat likhne ke baad ibarat you thi kyou ke har shaksh ko kisi na kisi aisi baat ka ilm hota hai jo dusre shaks se makhfi hai to chahiye ke sab ko aalimul ghaib kaha jaye..ye puri ibarat khan saab hazam kar gae. Aur aage likha ke aur agar tamam ulume ghaibya murad hai is tarah ke is ki ek fard bhi kharij na rahi to is ka butlan dalil aqli aur naqli se sabit hai
Khan saab ko kufra maloom karna tha to darmiyan ki ibarat hazam nahi karni chahiye thi.Is se badi khayanat aur kya hogi ke kufra jaise sangin mamle me ibarat hazam kar gae. Aur hifzul iman me sallal lahu alay hi wa sallam chapa hua tha khan sahab ne use bhi uda diya. Aur ek baat is aayat me jo ishara hai ke..to chahiye ke sab ko aalimul ghaib kaha jaye is aayat se wazah ho jata hai ke yaha huzur saws ko aalimul ghaib kahne ki baat chal rahi hai nake huzur saws ke ilm sharif ki Aisi murad thanvi ra ki taraf mansub karna aala hazrat ka apne hisab se matlab nikalna kya ye khayanat nahi hai.? Khayanat samajh me nahi aayi maine uper jo likhi?.
[24/12/2014 6:02 PM] Mushtaq Ahmed: Aap Ko Khayanat Puchi Thi Maine Jis Ke Jawab Me Aap Ne Badi Ajib O Garib Post Banai Hai...Jaisa Ke Pahele Aap Ne Likha Ki Bich ki Iabarat uda di..Is Se To Samjh Aya ki khayanat ki Hai...Ab Aap Ye Bataiye Ki Bich Wali Ibarat Udhane Ke Bad Us Ibarat Ka Mazmun Kya Banta Hai ?..Aur Bich Wali Ane Ke Bad Kiya banta Hai ? Phir Aap ne Kaha Ki "Sallallah-O-Alaihi-Wasallam" Uda Diya..Bil Farz Aisa Hi kiya Hoga...To Kiya Is ke uda dene Se Wo Ibarat Gustkahi Wali bani ?...Ager Ha To Kaise ? NA to Bina Wajah Bat Kar Ke Kya Fayda ?
Abdul majid ka Comment: ⬇⬇
[[[Aur ek baat is aayat me jo ishara hai ke..to chahiye ke sab ko aalimul ghaib kaha jaye is aayat se wazah ho jata hai ke yaha huzur saws ko aalimul ghaib kahne ki baat chal rahi hai nake huzur saws ke ilm sharif ki]]]
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Aap Kahe Rahe Hai Ki Yaha Aalim ul Gaib Kahene Ki Bat Chal Rahi Hai Na ki Ilm Shareef Ki...Jab Ke Thanvi Sab Ki Ibarat Me Wazeh Hai ➡ Ilm e Gaib ka Hukum Kiya jana...Age Hai...Aisa Ilm e Gaib To...Ab Itne Wazhe Hone Ke bad Bhi Aap Ka ye Kahena Ki Ilm Shareef Ki Bat Nahi Chal Rahi Hai...Ye Gayat Darje Ki Mohabbat nahi To Aur Kiya Hai...wo Bhi Shan e Nabuwat Ke Samne..!
[24/12/2014 6:31 PM] Abdul Majid: Shukra hai aap ne maan to liya ke bich ki ibarat uda di. rahi ye baat ke bich wali ibarat udane se aisa lagta hai ke huzur saws ke ilm sharif ki baat chal rahi hai aur milane se maloom hota hai ke huzur saws ko aalimul ghaib kahna durust hai ya nahi..wazah rahe maulana ki bahas is baat per hai ke aap ko aalimul ghaib kahna durust hai ya nahi maulana huzur saws ke ilm gaib ki mikdar me kalam nahi farma rahe hai huzur saws ko ilme ghaib hona na hona alag baat hai aap per aalimul ghaib ka ittlaq alag baat hai. Hifzul iman ki ibarat ka matlab
Allama sayyed sharif jurjani ra 816 hijri..bhi ek bahas ke jawab me farmate hai..Hum kahte hai ke jo kuchh tum kahte ho wo laiqe radd hai...kyon ke hamara aur aapka ittefaq hai ke tamam baton per muttala hona nabi saws ke liye zaruri nahi aur baaz gaib per muttla hona is me nabi ki koi takhsis nahi yani mutlaq baaz chahe kitna hi kam kyou na ho har ek ko hasil hai. Thanvi ra ka matlab aur in buzurg ka matlab ek hi hai.
[16/01 5:32 PM] Mushtaq Ahmed: JANAB Mai ne Aap Ki Post Padhi..Hairat Is Bat Ye hai Ki Aap Ne Mujh Per Ek Ilzam Aid Kiya Ki Mai Ne Mana Hai ➡ Ki Aala Hazrat Ne Ek Ibarat Uda Di Hai..Ta'jjub hai..
Khair Age Aiye...Mai Ne Aap Ko Pucha Tha ki Jis Ibarat Ko Aap Uadana Mante Hai Us Ko Shamil Kar Ne Ke Bad Kya Mafhum Banta Hai ? Is K Jawab Me Aap Ne Kaha Us Ibarat Se Wo ibarat Bach Jati Hai jis Ka Matlab Ye Nikalta Hai ➡Waha Per Aalim Ul Gaib Ki Nafi Ho Rahi Hai..yani..Is Bat Ki Bahes Hai Ki Aap Ko Aalim Ul Gaib Kahena Jaiz Hai Ya Nahi...Na Ki Ilm Shareef Ki Bat Ho Rahi Hai. Hasil e Kalam ➡ Wo Ibarat Jis Per Bahes Hai Us Se Ilm Shareef Murad Sabit Hoti Hai...Aur Ager Ilm Ki Bat Ho To Aap ke Nazdik Bhi Gustakhi Hai..Lekin Age Ki Ibarat Se Ye Wazeh Ho Jata Hai Ki Waha Per Ilm Ki Bat Nahi Ho Rahi Hai..
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Mai Aap Ki Bat Ko Sahi Samjha ?
[16/01 6:58 PM] Abdul Majid: Ji aap ne meri baat ko sahi samjha uske liye Shukriya...
dusri baat huzur s.a.w.s. ko aalimul ghaib kahne ki baat chal rahi hai ye baat bhi barhaqq hai...kyon ke hifzul iman me thanwi r.a. se 3ra sawal hi yahi hua ke.. huzur s.a.w.s. ko aalimul ghaib kaha ja sakta hai ya nahi aap hifzul iman me dekh sakte hai...uski tashrih bustal banan ke naam se hifzul iman ke sath hi chapti hai jis me saf saf matlab likha hua hai...itni wizahat ke baad aap logon ka thanvi r.a. ki takfir karna sarasar galat hai...uske bawajud bhi agar aap ko lagta hai ke is me tashbih hai to kis lafz ki bina per hai ye bata dijiye...Ye wakia 1342hijri ka hai thanvi sahab ko logon ne mashhora diya ke hifzul iman ki ibarat barhak hai lekin awamunnas ke liye ye bahter hoga ke is ko is tarah tabdil kardiya jaye ke uske baad koi awam ko dhoka na de sake to ye awam ke liye ye behtar hoga...to thanvi r.a. ne mashhora dene walon ko dua di aur ibarat ko is tarah badal diya ke...aisa ilme ghaib...jaha se shuru hoti hai uske bajaye ye fikra likh diya....mutlak baaz ulume ghaibya to gair ambiya ko bhi hasil hai...ye waqya takriban 60 saal pahle ka hai. Is ki tafsil Tafsirul unwan ke nam se hifzul iman ke sath hi chhapti hai. Uske baad manzur nomani ne thanvi r.a. ki khidmat me arz kiya ke hifzul iman me jo...Ilme ghaib ka hukm...ke jo alfaz hai wo bila shuba aalimul ghaib ka itlaq karta hai aap ne bustal banan me iski tashrih kardi hai...to bus asal ibarat me bhi itlaq ka lafz aajaye to baat aur zyada saaf ho jayegi...hazrat ne bila tawil usko bhi kubool farma liya ab hifzul iman ki ibarat is tarah hai...phir ye ke aap ki zaate muqaddasa per aalimul ghaib ka itlaq kiya jana agar baqole zaid sahi ho to daryaft talab ye amra hai ke is gaib se murad baaz gaib hai ya kul gaib agar baaz ulume gaibya murad hai to isme huzur s.a.w.s. hi ki kya takhsis mutlak baaz ulume gaibya to gair ambiya alayhissalam ko bhi hasil hai to chahiye ke sab ko aalimul ghaib kaha jaye...Ye ho gaya hifzul iman ki ibarat ka matlab. Likhne me kuch galti ho jaye ya alfaz idhar udhar ho gaye ho to pleas bata dena alfaz mat pakadna.Fiqah karam ka ye usul hai ke...kisi ke kalam ke 100 matlab nikalte ho usme se 99 matlab kufra ke ho aur sirf 1 matlab islam ka to mufti ko chahiye islam wala pahlu le kyou ke ho sakta hai wo wahi kahna chahta ho.
[17/01 11:25 PM] Mushtaq Ahmed: Chaliye Janab Ab Jab Ke aap ne Ye Taslim Kar Liya Ki Ager Us Ibarat Me Ilm Ki Bahes Chal Rahi Hai To Wo Aap Ke Nazdik Bhi Gustakhi Hai...Lekin Aap Ko Lagta Hai Ki waha Per Ilm Ki Bat Nahi Chal Rahi Hai is liye Us Ko Aap gustakhi nahi Mante...
Ab Mujh Ko Sirf Ye Sabit Karna Hai Ki Waha Per Ilm Ki Bat Chal Rahi Hai...Ager Mai Ye Sabit karne me Kamiyab Ho Gaya To Ba qaul Aap Ke Bhi Wo Gustakhi Sabit Ho Jayegi...Aur Is per Aap Ko Bhi Koi Aikhtalf Nahi Ki Nabi (صلی اللہ علیہ و سلم)Ki Gustakhi Kufr Hai..Ab Aye Mai Aap Ke Alim Ki Kisi Kitab Se Ya Kai Aur Se Kuch Sabit Karu...Us Se Bahetar Mai Subut Me Aap Hi Ki Ibarat Pesh Karta Hu. Ab Aap Ne Ashraf Thanvi Sab Ki Ibarat ka matlab Samjhte Huwe...Allama Sayed Sharif Jurjani Ki Ek Ibarat Naql Ki Hai...Aur Age Ye Likha Hai ki ➡ Ashraf Thanvi Sab Ki Aur Allama Sahab Ki Ibarat ka Matlab Ek Hi Hai..
Lijiye Janab..Aap Ke nazdik Allama Aur Ashraf Thanvi Sab Ki Ibarat ka Matlab ek hi hai..Aur Allama Sab..Yaha Per Huzur (صلی اللہ علیہ و سلم) Ke Ilm Shareef Per Bahes kar Rahe Hai..Lijiye Aap Hi Ki Post Se Sabit Yaha Per Ilm Ke Mutalliq Gufatgu Hai...Aur Wo Aap Ke Pas Bhi Gustakhi Hai Aur Gustakhi ➡KUFR..
[18/01 12:30 AM] Abdul Majid:
Maine aap se kaha tha ke aalim ul ghaib kahne ki baat chal rahi hai. aap ka ye kam tha ke usko kufra sabit karte...ulta mere hi alfaz pakad kar kufra sabit kar rahe ho...mai to ek aam aadmi hoon mere alfaz pakad kar kufra sabit kar rahe ho agar aap mere alfaz ko chhod kar kufra sabit karo to mai man lunga mai aap se kaha tha likhne me kuch galti ho jaye ya alfaz idhar udhar ho jaye to pleas bata dena alfaz mat pakadna uske bawajud bhi aapka mere hi kalam se galtiyo ko pakad kar jawab dena galat hai kyon ke maine aap se phone per kaha ke mai bahat zyada pada likha nahi hun to bajaye aap mere alfaz pakadne ke hifzul iman ki ibarat ko kufriya sabit kare...Aakhri baat mai samajh ne ke liye aap se baat kar raha hu...aur aap jeet har ke liye..maine to aap ke koi alfaz nahi pakde...mai chahta to..is baat per atal ho sakta tha...ke mushahbat kis lafz ki bina per hai lekin maine aisa nahi kiya...aap uper dekhiye agar maine 4 post bheji to aap 3 ka jawab dete 1 ka nahi dete maine aap se atal rah kar ye nahi pucha ke aap ne iska jawab kyou nahi diya mera aap se ek hi mutalba hai alfaz pakad kar kufra sabit mat kijiye haqeeqat me kufra sabit kijiye. aap to meri galtiya pakad kar kufra sabit kar rahe ho..Aur agar aapko munazra ki tarah baat karna hai to mai uske liye bhi tayyar hoon isi topic per phir se baat karenge...bolo kya kahte ho mushtaq bhai..
[18/01 1:00 AM] Mushtaq Ahemad: Bhai Sahab..Maine Har Aur Jit Ki Bat kaha Per Ki Hai ?..Rahi Dusri bat Aap Ka Kahena Ki Aap 4 Suwal Karte Hai To mai 3 Ka Hi Jawab Deta Hu.. Bhai Sab, .Yaha Per Mauzu Ke Mutalliq Suwal Ka Jawab Dena Hota Hai. Ye nahi Ki Aap 10 Bina Wajah Ki Bate Kare Aur Mai Sab Ka Jawab Deta Rahu...Aur Aap Bhool Rahe Hai Ki...Is Bahes ka Maqsad Wo Ibarat Kufriya Hai Ya Nahi Ye Dekhna Hai...Ab Rahi Aap Ki Bat Ki Maine Aap Ki Bat Pakad kar kufr sabit kiya Hai...Ye To Us Ibarat Ki Batil Hone Ki Wazeh Dalil Hai..Ki jo Ibarat Aap Bachane Ke Liye Laye The Mai ne Usi Se Us ibarat Ko Kufr Sabit Kar Diya...Aur Aap Kahete Ho i Aap Jahil Ho..Mai Aap Ki Bat Na Pakdu !..To Janab Is Ke Pahele Bhi Jab bhi Aap Fanse The To Bajaye Haq Ko Qubul Karte Aap Ne Ye Hi Bahana Kiya..Is Se Hal Kaise Niklega?..Ki Jaha Per Aap Fanse Waha Ye Hi Kahedenge...Chaliye Mai Aap Ke darwaze band Karta Hu....Paheli Bat Ki Maine Aap Ki Bat Nahi Pakdi...Aap Ki Dalil Per Bahes Kar Ke Sabit Kiya Hu...ha Ager Aap Koi Lafzi Galti Karte To Aap Ko Ye Kahene Ka Pura Haq Hasil Tha ki Tum Meri Lafz Ki Galti Ko Pakad Kar Kufr Sabit Karne Me Lage Ho...Lekin Is ke Bar Aks Maine Aap Ki Dalil Se Hi Us ibarat Ko Kufr Sabit Kar Diya...Aur Wo Bhi Jab Ke maine Us Se Pahele Aap Se Aap Ki Murad Daryaft Ki...Aap Ne Phone Kiya...Waha Per Bhi Aap Ko Samjhaya...Aur Aap Ne Itminan Ka Izhar Kiya Aur ye Maana Ki Ha Meri Murad Ye Hi Hai...Jab Itna Kuch Huwa us Ke Bad Aap ka Ye Kahe Kar Mujh Per Badkhna Ki Maine Aap Ke Alfaz Ko Pakad Kar Sabit kiya Hai...Ye Zid aur Tassub Nahi To Aur Kiya Hai?...Aur Suniye...jaise Ki Mai Uper Bayan Kar Aya Ki... Ye To Us Ibarat ke Batil Hone Ki Dalil Hai Ki...Maine Aap Hi Ki Dalil Se use Kufr Sabit Kar Diya..To Chaliye Is per Bhi Roshni Dalta hu..Take Aap Ko Bat Samjh Aa Jaye...Maine Aap Ki Kis Bat Ko Pakda ? Us Me Ek Hi Point Per Bat Huwi...Jo Ye Hai Ki Waha Per Ilm Shareef Per Bat Hi Nahi Chal Rahi Hai..Balke Aalim ul Ghaib Ke Itlaq Ki Bat Hai...Ye Aap Ne Hi kaha Tha..Ab is Per Mere Suwal Ye Hai Kya Galath kaha Tha Aap Ne Jo Uper Bayan Kiya Hai Maine ? Aur Ager Aap Ka Jawab Ha Hai...To Chaliye Mai Ye Hi Mauqif Aap Ke Ulama Se Sabit Karta Hu...Unhone Bhi Apni Kitabo Me Ye Hi Bat Likhi Hai..ki Waha Aalim Ul Gaib K itlaq Ki Nafi Hai...Ilm Per To Bat Hi Nahi Ho Rahi Hai..Aur Jab Ye Aap Ke Ulama Se Sabit Ho Jayega To Ye Aap Ke Alfaz Kaha'n Rahe? .Balke Aap Ke Ulama Ka mauqif Ho Gaya...Aap Chahay To Un Ko Jahil kahe Sakte hai...jis Tarah Aap Ne Apni Post Me Khud ko Kaha...Sirf Us Ibarat Ko Bachane Ke Liye..
2)...Aap Ne Ek ibarat Pesh Ki..Aur Kaha Ki Ye Hi Thanvi Sab Ka Matlab hai..
[18/01 1:18 AM] Abdul Majid: Thik hai Mushtaq bhai ab ye bataiye Munazra ki tarah baat karna hai ya nahi is bar insha allah galti nahi hogi. Sirf ha ya na me jawab dena
Thik hai..
[18/01 1:33 AM] Mushtaq Ahmed: Bhai Sab, Abhi End Nahi Likha maine...Aur Mai Ye Hi Sabit kar Raha Hu Ki Aap ne Galti Kuch Nahi Ki..Aap ne Wo hi bataya Jo aap ke Ulama Ka Mauqif hai...Dalil Dene Ki Zimmedari Meri..Abhi Mai Ek Group Me Busy Hu...waha Se Free Ho Kar Aap ka jawab likhta Hu...Aap Aaram Kare....In Shaa Allah Kal Padh Lena..
[18/01 1:33 AM] Abdul Majid: Maine to aaj tak koi aalim se baat nahi ki..Phir bhi mai aap se Munazra ki tarah baat karna chahta hu ek baar plezzzzzzzzzzzz Dalil dene ki zarurat nahi hai maine padha hai mere hisab se
Mushtaq bhai last time phir se shuru karte hai bolo kya bolte ho
Mere bade aalim ne ye baat likhi ho to bata dena ke...thanvi r.a. aur jurjani r.a. ka matlab ek hi hai....jab ye mere bade ka mauquf hoga. Aap kah rahe ho ke maine koi galti nahi ki jab aap iska hawala denge uske baad ye sabit hoga ke ye mere bado ne likha hai. Agar hum rules ke hisab se baat kare to kitna achcha rahega..
[19/01 2:26 PM] Baber bhai(Sunni Bhai): Rules ke khilaf baat kab huwi bhai.?
[19/01 3:17 PM] Abdul Majid: Rules
1...Dono me se ek waqt me sirf ek sawal puchne ki ijazat hogi
2...mukhalif ne jo bhi sawal mozu ke hisab se pucha uska jawab dena zaruri hoga"
3...mozu se hat kar agar koi sawal hua to uska radd kiya jayega. Babar bhai aur mushtaq bhai meri baat thik hai ya nahi.
[19/01 3:36 PM] Baber bhai: bhai is se hatkar to baat huwi hi nahi abhi tak..Aur Mushtaq bhai ne aap ke tamam sawalat ka jawab diya hai..Aur ab ye mauzoo mukammal hone ki kagar per hai..Aap chahte hai phir se baat ho..
[19/01 3:38 PM] Abdul Majid: Ha is bar mai galtiya nahi karunga insha allah
[19/01 3:39 PM] Baber bhai: G theek hai mushtaq bhai k online hote hi guftgu aage badhegi..
[19/01 5:28 AM] Mushtaq Ahmed: Abdul Majid Khatri Sab...Aap Me Ek Bat Bhaut hi Achchi Hai Ki Aap Bhaut Hi Sabr Karte Ho...Aur Bad Zubani Bhi Nahi Karte. ..Lekin Is Martaba Aap Ne Sabr Ka Daman Hath Se Chod Diya...Halanke Maine Kaha Tha Ki Meri Bat Mukamal Ho Jane Dijiye...Phir Aap Koi Comment Karna. Bhai Mai Ye Kahena Chahta Hu Ki Aap Bar Bar Munazra Ki Bat Kar Rahe Ho...Aur Ek taraf Aap Khud Kahete Ho Ki Aap Itne Padhe Likhe Nahi...Ek Taraf Aap Kahete Ho Ki Aap Ne Aap Ke Kisi Alim Se Nahi Suna Dusri Taraf Kahete Ho Ki Ha Ye Bate Mere Ilm Me Hai...Ek Taraf Aap Kahete Ho Ki Aap Ne Galti Ki...Ek Aur Ainda nahi Karoge...Mai Samjh Nahi Pa Raha Hu Ki Kya Nahi Karoge....Kyonki jis Ko Aap Galti Ka Naam De Rahe Ho Ye Aap Ke Ulama Ka Mauqif Hai....Phir Pata Nahi Aap Ko Is Ka Ilm kaise Ho Gaya...Jab Ke Aap ka Kahena Hai Ki Aap Ne Aaj Tak Kisi Ailm Se Bat Nahi Ki. Jab Ke Is Ke pahele Bhi Aap Ne Ulma E Arab Ke Samne Urdu Me Kitab Pesh Huwi Ye Kaha. Jab Maine Aap Ko Manzur Nomani Sab Ki Kitab Se Batya To Aap Ne Kaha Ye Aap Meri Bato Ko Pakad Rahe Hai..Mai Chahata To Jab Hi Aap Ko Ye Dono Bate Aap Ke Ulama Se Batata ki Manzur Nomani Sab Ne Kaha Ki Ibarat Arabi Me Pesh Huwi...Aur Khalil Ambethwi Sab Kahete Hai Ki Ulama E Arab Ki Gair Zaban Me Pesh Huwi Matlab ➡ Urdu Me.To Mere Bhai Nazar Andaz Mai Karta Aya Aap Ki Bato Ko..Aur Aap Ultha Mujh Per Hi Bhram Ho Gaye..Chaliye Aap Ki Taskin Ke Liye Mai Yaha Scan Dalta Hu..Dekhe Lijiye ⬇⬇⬇
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Ab Kahiye...Jab Aap Ne Use Apni Galti Kaha...Ab Kya Kahenge..Ek Taraf Aap Ki Jamat Ke Raees ul Munazirin Hai Aur Dusri Taraf Aap Ke Khalil Ambethwi Hai...Bataiye Dono Me Kaun galat Kahe Raha Hai?
[19/01 04:54] Abdul Majid: Maine aaj tak koi aalim se baat nahi ki bilkul sahi baat hai
Agar maine kuch ilm sikha hai to kitabe padkar.Aap jo kahrahe ho ke maine koi galti nahi ki...maine kya galti ki ye mai batata hoon aapko..maine kaha tha thanvi r.a.ka matlab aur in buzurg ka matlab ek hi hai ye hai meri sabse badi galti.
Mushtaq Ahmed: Ab Aiye Aap Ki Jis Dalil Se Maine Us Ibarat Ka Kufr Hona Sabit Kiya Wo Aap Ki Galti Kaise ? Kya Aap Ye Kahena Chahate Hai Ki Ha Waha Per Aalim Ul Ghaib Ke Itlaq Ki Bat Nahi Chal Rahi hai..?
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Ye Bayan Karne Me Aap Se Galti Ho Gai..?
Ager Ha To Ye Hi Bat Aap Ke Ulama Ki Kitab Se Bata Deta Hu..JAB aap Kya Karenge ?
2)...Ya Ye Kahena Chahate Hai Ki...jis Ibarat ko Allama Jurjani Ki...Aap Laye The...Aur Kaha Ki Ye Hi Matlab Ashrf Thanvi Sab Ka Hai...
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Ye Batane Me Galti Ki.?
Ager Ha To Ye Bat Bhi Aap Ke Ulama Ki Kitab Se Bata Deta Hu. Aur Jab Dono Points Aap Ke Ulama Ki Kitab Me Maujud Hai to Phir Aap ne Galti Kya Ki ? ..Aur jab Aap ne Kuch Galti Ki Hi Nahi...To Mera Dawa Sabit Huwa Wo Bhi Un Points Se Jo Aap Ke Ulama Ka Mauqof Hai.
[19/01 04:59] Abdul Majid: Maine kaha tha Ibarat urdu me pesh hui...Uske jawab me aapne Manzur Nomani r.a.ki dalil di thi barabar...Maine uske jawab me likha tha pahli baat me meri galti hai aap uper dekh sakte hai. Dono ka matlab ek hi hai ye galti ki maine..
[19/01 05:05] Mushtaq Ahmed: Kya aap ki Galti Thi Us me ?
[19/01 05:07] Abdul Majid: Wahi to galti man raha hoo ke ibarat urdu me pesh hui.
[19/01 05:08] Mushtaq Ahmed: Urdu Me Jo Ibarat Pesh Huwi Jo Aap Ne Kaha Us Me Kiya Galti Man Rahe Hai Aap ?
[19/01 06:09] Abdul Majid: Aap ne jo khalil ahmed r.a. ka jo hawala diya usse ye lazim nahi aata ke ibarat urdu me pesh hui. Ibarat urdu me pesh hui ya arbi me...
Ye alag masla hai...
Mai sirf ye kahna chahta hoon ke aap ne jo khalil ahmed r.a. ka jo hawala diya usse ye lazim nahi aata ke waha ibarat urdu me pesh hui...
[19/01 07:09] Mushtaq Ahmed: Phir Kya Lazim Aata Hai Us Se ? [Waha Per Saf Likha Hai K ➡Humari Gair Zaban Hone Ki wajah Se Hum Samjh Nahi Sake ..⬅. Ab Sab Per Zahir hai ki Ulma E Arab Ki Zaban "Arabi " Hai.Aur Baki Sab Zaban Un Ki Gair Hai. To Sabit Huwa ki Urdu Me Pesh Huwi.Ab Aap Hi Ki Kitabo Se Sabit huwa ki Aap K Ulama Ne Wo Kitabe Urdu Me Likhi Thi..Ager Aap Is Wazeh Bat Ko Bhi Nahi Manna Chahate To Aap Bataye Ki Kis Zaban Me Pesh Huwi?...Aur Jo Bhi Zaban Me Pesh Huwi Aap K Do Alim Alag Alag Bayan De Rahe Hai...Ek Kahete Hai Ki Arabi Me Huwi...Dusre Kahete Hai Ki "Gair Zaban" Me Huwi...Ye Dono Zid Hai Ek dusre Ki...Ab Aap Bataye Ki Dono Me Galat Bayani Se Kaun Kaam Le Raha Hai ?
Abdul Majid: Aap pahle Nomani r.a. ka scan page bhejiye waise hi jaise aap ne uper bheja.Pahle kitab ka naam Badme wo ibarat..Jisme likha hai ke ibarat arbi me pesh hui. Ab mai koi bhi jawab aap ko maulana tahir hussain gyawi se puch kar hi dunga...Kyou ke is bar galti nahi Pleazzzzzzzz.....Pahle wo scan bhej do.Pahle aap scan bhej do mujhe forward karna hai aalim sahab ko
Badme mai aap ko batadunga ye kya masla hai.Yaha ki ibarat urdu me thi uska tarjuma arbi me hua asal me hua agar ye baat sabit ho jaye ke koi dhoka de gaya to yahi bola jayega ke gair zuban me pesh hui kyon ke asal kitab urdu hai... Ye mai meri taraf se bol raha hu kisi ka mauquf nahi hai...Olama e devband ka mouquf is mamle me kya hai ye mai puch kar bataunga...Maine unko ambethi r.a. ki jo post aap ne bheji maine unko bhej di.Unho ne kaha nomani r.a. ki post bhi bhej do...Isi liye maine aap se kaha jaldi scan page bhejdo.
Mushtaq Ahmed: Bhai Jab aap ne Aap ke Ulama Ko Bhej Hi Diya Hai To Aap Aap Ki Rai Na Diya Kare...Kyon ki Kai Aap Bad me Ye Na Kahe De Ki....mujh Se Galti Huwi Hai.. Aur Bahetar Ye Hai Ki Taher Gaiyawi Sahab Hi Se Puch Liya Kare..Kyon ki Mujh Ko Bhi Un Se Bhaut Kuch Janna Hai...Un Hi Ki Kitabo Me Se. Ab Rahi Bat Scan Ki...To Janab Maine Kitab Ka Naam Aur Safa No. Diya hai Aur Mai Scan Bhi De Deta...Koi Harj Nahi..Lekin Mai Scan Deta Us K Pahele Hi Aap ne Us Ke Raste Nikalna Shiru Kar Diye..Ab Aap kahete Hai Ki Ye Bat Sabit Ho Jaye Ki..➡Dhoka Huwa Hai To Ye Hi Kaha Jayega Ki Wo Gair Zaban HONE ki Wajaha Se Hum Samjh Nahi Paye..⬅
Kitni Ajib Aur Dur Ki Bat Ki Hai Aap Ne..Jab Ke Aap Ki Is Bat Se Bhi Ye Lag Raha Hai Ki "Arabi" Me Pesh Huwi...Bil Farz Aala Hazrat Ne Koi Dhoka Bhi Diya Tha...To Alafz Ye Nahi Ho Sakte Ki "Gair Zaban" Balke Alafz Ye Hone Chaiye...Ki Aap Ki Kitabo Ke Tarjume Per Hum Mutalla Huwe..Kya Jo Tarjuma Pesh Huwa Hai, Wo Waqiye Me Aap Ke Kitabo Me Paya Jata Hai?
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Ab Ki Bar Koi Achcha Sa Tabsara karna..Aur Mazeed Apne Khando Per Jo Dhoke Ka Bar Uthaya Hai..Us Ki Bhi Dalil Dena...Phir Ye Fakhir Aap Ko Batayega Ki Aala Hazrat Ne Ulama E Arab Ko Dhoka Diya Hai Ya aap k Ulama Aaj Tak Aap ko Dhoka Deta Aoye Hai...Aur Ye Sab Samjhne Ke Liye Insaf Shart Hai...Nahi To Meri Har Dalil Ko Aap Kuch Na Kahe Kar Piche Phenkte Rahenge...jaise Ki Mujh Se Galti Huwi...Ya..Is Ko Gair Zaban Kahete Hai Us Ko Kahete Hai..Bhale Hi Thodi Samjh Rakhne Wala Bhi Aap Ki Be Sar O Pair Ki Tawilo Ko Qubul Na Kare..!
Abdul Majid: Thik hai bhai ab mai meri taraf se koi baat nahi kahunga...Aap pleas scan bhej dijiye.
Mushtaq Ahmed: Bhai...Mere Ek Suwal Ka Jawab Dijiye..Ke Ulama E Arab Ke Samne Aap Ke Ulama Ki Kitab Arabi Me Pesh Huwi Ya Urdu Me ? Aur Aap aap Ke Ulama Se Puch Kar Is ka Jawab Dijiye....Na Ke Apni Taraf Se..
Abdul Majid: Thik hai mai puch kar dunga...Aap ne mujhe scan page nahi bheji abhi tak.
Mushtaq Ahmed: Bhai Aap Jawab to Le Kar De Dijiye..Waise Ek Bat Batata Hu...Dalail Ka Mutaleba Aikhtalafi Masail Me Kiya Jata Hai..Aur Aap Bar Bar Scan Mang Kar Ye Sabit Karna Chaha Rahe Hai Ki ...Ibaraat Arabi Me Pesh Nahi Huwi Thi..Aur Ager Aap Bhi Ye Hi Mante Hai ki Ibarat Arabi Me pesh Huwi Thi...To Usi Chiz Ki Dalil Mangana Mujhe Hairat Me Dal Raha Hai.. Bas Isi Liye Aap Se Pucha Ki Aap Aap ke Ulama Se Ye Puchiye Ki Ibarat Kis Zaban Me Pesh Huwi Thi..Ager Wo Bhi Arabi Me Kahete Hai...Dalil Mere Zimme Nahi...Aur Ager Wo Arabi Ka inkar Karte Hai..Tab Ye Sabit Hoga Ki Iabarat urdu Me pesh Huwi...Us Ke Bad Mai Aap ko Scan Dal Kar Ye Sabit Karunga Ki Aap ki Kitab Me Arabi ki Bat Hi Hai...tab Hi Aap ka Mutaleba Durust Hota hai scan Ka..
Abdul Majid: Are bhai maine Maulana ko phone kiya unka phone nahi laga...Phir maine unke farzand ko phone kiya unhone kaha kya likha hai whatsapp pe bhej do unke farzand aalim hai munazir nahi...ab to bhejdo scan pleazzzzzzz..Gyawi sahab abhi banglore me hai nahi to wo khud bata dete.
Mushtaq Ahmed: Bhai Aap Meri Puri Post Sukun Ne Padhe..Jo mutaleba Aap Ne Kiya Hai, Us Post Ke Bad Aap Mujh Se Nahi Kar Sakte...Jab Tak is Bat Ka Iqrar Na Kar Lo Ki waha Per Ibarat Arabi Me Pesh Nahi Huwi Thi..
Abdul Majid: Ibarat waha Arabi me pesh hui thi ye baat haq hai...Aur aap ne jo ibarat ambethi r.a. ki pesh ki uska jawab mere zimme hai.
[20/01 08:11] Mushtaq Ahmed: Bhai Jab Aap ko Bhi Taslim hai ki Ibarat Arabi Me Pesh Huwi Thi...Aur Sabit Shuda Masial Me Dalil Ka Mutaleba Karna Kaha Tak Sahi ?...Aur Us Se Kya Fayda..Ha Jo Aap Taslim Nahi Karte Yani Ke Ibarat Urdu Me Pesh Huwi Us Ka Subut Mangna Aap ka Haq Aur meri zimmedari Thi....jis Ko Mai Ba Khubi Nibha Chuka Hu...
Abdul Majid: Ab mai aap se dalil thodi mang raha hoo...Maine aap ko likh kar bhej diya hai ke ibarat arbi me pesh hui..Dusri dalil ki zimmedari meri..
[21/01 22:52] Abdul Majid: ⬆⬆⬆
ye aap ne scan bheji thi isme saf likha hua
hai gair zuban hone ke sabab hum nahi samajh sake..Yaha per nahi samajh ne ki
baat hai.Aage hai..Hame haqeeqate hal aur qaul ki murad se muttlah karoge...Is
se samajh me aaya ke..Qaul ki murad kya hai..Ye hame samjhaeye...Isse bhi yahi
lazim aata hai ke...ibarat arbi me pesh hui..Na ke urdu me..Ab zahir si baat
hai qaul ki murad wahi puchega jo ibarat padh chuka hai aur samajh nahi paya..
Mushtaq Ahmed: Aap Ki Bina Sar Pair Ki
Tawil Padh Kar Jitni Hairat Huwi Us Se Ziyada Dukh Huwa...Mai Samjhta Tha Ki
Aap Gair Janib Dar Ho Kar Taheqiqi Zahen se Bat Karenge...Aur Galath Ko Galath
Kahenge..Lekin Afsos Is Martaba Bhi Aap Ne Wo Hi Kuch Dekha Jo Aap ke Ulama Ne
Aap Ko Dikhaya...Bhale Se Siyaq O Sabaq Us ka Sath De Ya na De..Lughat Me Use
Panah Mile Ya Na Mile...Bas Aap Chote Se Bache Ki Tarah Zid Kar Gaye Ki..Yaha
Likha Aam Hai Lekin Mai Jam Kahe Raha Hu..Is Liye Aap Bhi use Jam Man Lo..Bhai
Mai Man Bhi Leta Ager Ye Maumla Deen ka na Hota..Aiye Jis Lafz "Qual"
Per Aap ke Ulama Ne Is Tawil Ki Buniyad Rakhi Hai..Us Buniyad Ko Girane Se
pahele Mai Aap Ki Bar gah me kuch Arz kar du..- Mera Maqsad Sirf Ye batana Hai
Ki Aap Ke Ulama Tazad Bayani Se Kam Lete Hai...Aur Awam Ko Gumrah Karte Rahete
Hai...Is Ke Subut me Mai Age Bhi Bhaut
Kuch Bataunga Aap ko...Na K Ye Hai Ki Mazkura Ibaraat Waha per Urdu Me Pesh Huwi Thi Ya Arabi Me...
Ab Dekhiye Aap Ne Qaul Per Bahes Ki Hai..To
Qaul Kaha Jata Hai "Bat" "Bat Chit" "Bayan"
Ko..Ab Aap ka Kahena Ki ➡Unhone Wo
Ibarat Padhi Tab Hi Qaul Ki Murad Puchi⬅.To Janab Thodi Der Ke Liye Man Lete
Hai Ki "Qaul" Tehrir Ko Bhi Kaha Jata Hai..jaise Ki Kai Jagah Hum Ko
Milta Hai...To Is Se Bhi Aap ko Kya Faida?...Kyon ki Uper Se Jo Ibarat Aa rahi
Hai wo Aap ki Tawil Ko Rad Karti Hai..Us ka Khulsa Niche Likhta Hu..
Ba Qaul Ulma E Dev Band..Ulama E Arab Ne Un
Se Dariyaft Kiya Ki.. ➡ Tumhari Janib Chand Logo Ne Wahabi Aqaid Ki Nisbat Ki Hai AUR CHAND
AURAQ AUR RISALE AISE LAYE JIN KA MATLAB GAIR ZABAN HONE K SABAB HUM NAHI SAMJH
SAKE⬅.Aap Ke Liye Bade Lafzo Me Likh Diya Hai...Us Jumle ka Khulasa ➡ Jin logo Ne
Ulma E Dev Band Ki Taraf Wahabi Aqaid Ki Nisbat Ki Hai Wo Log Kuch Rilsale Le
Kar Gaye The..Jo Ulma E Arab Ke Gair Zaban Me Hone Ki Wajah Se Wo Nahi Samjh
Sake...Ab Is Se Saf Aur kya Chahiye...? Ab Raha Aap ka Qaul Ko Le Kar Bahes
Karna...To Is Gutthi Ko To Ulma E Dev Band Hi Suljhay Ki Ek Hi Jumle Mai Tazad
Kaise Aa Raha Hai..Aur Nahi To Maine Jo Ma'na Bayan Kiya Hai...Bayan
"Bat" Bat Chit..Jo Lughwi Aitebar Se Bhi Dusrust Hai Us Ko Man
Le...Jab Matlab Ye Niklega Ki Jin Logo Ne Tumhari Taraf Wahabi Aqaid Ki Nisbat
Ki Hai Wo Risale Laye The...jo K Humari Gair Zaban Me The..jis Ki Wajah Se Hum
Use Samjh Nahi Paye...Aur Jis Ne Nisbat Ki Hai..Us Ne Ye Qaul Tumahri Taraf
Mansub kiya Hai...Lijiye....Maine Maumla Hi Suljaha diya..Maumla To Is Se
Sulajh Jayega...Lekin Aap Ke Ulama Ke Do Qaul Sabit Honge...jis Se Mere Mauqif
Sabit Ho Jayega...Ki Aap Ke Ulama Tazad Bayani Se Kam Lete Hai..Ab Ki Martaba
meri Post Tasub Aur Kisi Ki Pasdari Ka Chashma Utar ka padhna..Ager Raza Illahi
Maqsud Ho To..
Abdul Majid: Mushtaq bhai aap ko jawab
samajh me nahi aaya to usme mera koi galti nahi hai..Aap ko tahkiki jawab maine
de diya meri zimmedari khatam..Aur rahi baat lughat ki to har jumle ka maqsad
lugat se nahi nikala jata..Mere olama ne mujhe kya dikhaya ye aap nahi samajh
paye to usme meri koi galti nahi hai..Aur rahi baat aam ki to to aap ko jam aur
aam ek hi nazar aa raha hai to isme bhi meri koi galti nahi hai...Aap ne kaha
aap man bhi lete..aap kaise manenge aap ke olama ne aap ko tassub ka Chashma jo
pahna diya hai...Aage aap ne kaha..aap ke olama tazad bayani se kam lete
hai...tazad bayani se kaun kam leta hai ye to insha allah waqt hi bataega..Aap
ne kaha..uper se jo ibarat aarahi
hai..janab wo nahi samajh ne ke liye hai..kyou ke asal kitab urdu hai..Ab agar
koi galat aqaid mansub karde to yahi bola jayega kyou ke asal kitab urdu
hai..ye baat bhi aap ko samajh nahi aayi to isme meri koi galti nahi hai..Aap
mamla suljhana chahte hai to aap bhi pahle tassub ki ainak utar kar
dekhiye...insha allah samajh me aa jayega...ab ki bar meri post tassub ka
chashma utar kar padna..
[23/01 11:14] Mushtaq Ahmed: Ohhh...Ulta
Chor Kutwal Ko Dante..Haa.Haa..Haa..Janab..Asal Ibarat Urdu Me ? Ye Kaha Se
Laye Aap ? Aur Raha Tassub ki Bat To Janab...Aap Hi Ki Bahes Se Maine Thanvi
Sab Ka Kufr Sabit Kiya...Aur Jab Sabit Ho Gaya To Aap Kahete Hai Ki Ye Aap Ki
Galti Hai...Badi Ajib Bat Hai..Al Muhannad Ka Asal Jumla ➡Tumhare janib
chand Logo Ne Wahabi Aqaid Ki Nisbat Ki Hai Aur Chand Risale Aise Laye Jin Ka
Matlab Gair Zaban Hone Ke Sabab Hum Nahi Samjh Sake⬅. Ab Jab Ke Aap ka kahena
Hai Ki Arabi Me pesh Huwi...Phir In Kutub Ka Asal Urdu Me Hona kya Ma'na..?!?
Jo Ke Ibarat Ke kisi Bhi Lafz Se Zahir nahi Hota..Ab Chunke Dev Band Walo Ko
Miras Me Mila Hai Ke Aam Ko Jam Kahete Jao...Aur Khud Katar Bewant Karo Ibarto
Me...Aur Ilzam Dusro Per Lagao ⬅ Ye Sari Bate Sabit Karna Meri Zimmidari Aur Is
bat Ka Yaqin To Aap Ko Bhi Ho Hi Gaya Hoga ki Mai Apni Zemmadari nibahane Me
Kitan pakka Hu..Na Ki Aap Ki Tarah Aam Ko Jam Kahe Kar Ya Ye Kahe Kar Ki Mujh
Se Galti Huwi Hai...Ya Ek Nayab Tarreqa Jo Aap Ne Nilkala Hai..Ki Har lafz ka
Ma'na lughat Se Nahi Liya Jayega..! Phir Pata Nahi Aur Kaha Se Liya Jayega..
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Is ko Dev Band Ki Is Sadi Ki Nayab Taeqiq
Ka Naam Diya Ja Sakta hai..Haa.Haa..Ya Sirf Zabani Jama Karch Kar Ke.. Ki Mai
ne Apni Zimmedari Nibha Di Hai..Kahe Kar Nahi Baghunga..Khair Mai Bhi Dekhta Hu
Aap Kaha Tak Jate Hai..To Taiyar Ho Jaye..Agle Hawale K Liye...
[24/01 11:07 AM] Abdul Majid Khatri: Kya
hussamail harmain asal me urdu kitab nahi hai..Aap ne kaha..Aap ne kufra sabit
kar diya..to janab mai ne kaha tha..Jurjani r.a. ka Matlab aur thanvi.r.a. ka
matlab ek hi hai ye meri sabse badi galti thi..agar aap ye jumla likha hua
dikhadenge to kufra sabit hoga..Aur rahi baat lughat ki to janab aap ne
kaha...pata nahi kaha se liya jaega..to janab maine to har jumle ka maqsad
likha tha na ke lafz ka main..jumle ka maqsad aur hurf me aap ko farak dikhai
nahi deta to meri koi galti nahi hai..Aap ne kaha aap zimmedari nibhane me
bohat pakke hai iska inkar mujhe nahi hai..Aap ne kaha..is ko dev band ki sadi
ki nayab tahqiq kaha ja sakta hai..to janab jawab aap ko mil gaya hai aap ki
samajh me nahi aaya to isko aap ki sadi ki nayab chashma kaha jayega.Aur rahi
baat bhag ne ki..To janab jab tak saans chal rahi hai jab tak ye sarkar
s.a.w.s. ka ghulam aap se baat karne ke liye tayyar hoon. Allah ki jab tak
marzi hai.
Aap ne kaha..asal ibarat urdu me hai ye
kaha se laye aap...
Janab..Tahzirrunnas urdu kitab
hai..Brahinul qatia urdu me hai..
Fatawa rashidia urdu me hai..Hifzul Iman
urdu me hai..Phir aap ka ye kahna ke aap kaha se laye..Ye baat kuch ajib nahi
hai Ulta chor qotwal ko dante..
Janab..chor kaun hai qotwal kaun hai ye to
waqt hi bataega..aap nahi..Aap ne kaha..rahi tassub ki baat..Aap hi ki bahas se
maine thanvi r.a. ka kufra sabit kar diya..
Janab aap ye likha hua dikhaiye ke in dono
ka matlab ek hi hai..jab ye mere olama ka moquf hoga jab ye kufra sabit hoga..
Phir aap ne kaha..
Sabit hogaya to aap ne kahte hai aap se
galti hai badi ajib baat hai...
Janab aap ne kaha sabit kar diya ke dono ka
matlab ek hi hai...
Jab sabit hi nahi hua to ajib baat
kaisi..Aap ne kaha dev band ko miras me malal hai ke aam ko jam kahte jao aur
khud katar bewant karo ibarato me aur ilzam dusro per lagao..
Meras me malal ki aadat kiski hai ye waqt
bataega aap nahi..aur rahi baat ilzam ki to ye bhi waqt hi bataega kaun kis per
ilzam lagata hai..
[25/01 4:43 AM] Mushtaq Ahemad: Aap Ne Kaha
➡Kya hussamail
harmain asal me urdu kitab nahi hai..
Aap ne kaha..
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Kitni Ajib Bat Puchi Hai Aap ne..
Chaliye mai Aap Hi Se Daryafat Karta Hu Ki
Ye Husam Ul Harmain Hai Kiya ? Ager Aap kahete Ho Ki Un Fatawo Ka Majmuwa jo
Aap Ke Akabir per Ulama E Arab Ne Diye the..Ager Yahi Bat Hai...to Aap Ne Mere
Suwal Ke Jawab me Jo Suwal Kiya Hai..Us Ka Matlab Kya Banta Hai ?
Aiye Thodi Sair Karwata Hu ➡ Aap se Maine
Ye kaha Ki Jab Aap Ko Bhi Taslim hai ki Waha per Ibarat Arabi Me Pesh
Huwi..Phir Gair zaban Ka Kya Matlab..Is Per Aap Ne kaha Ki Asal Kitab Urdu
Me...jab Agli Post Me Maine Is Ka khulasa Tab kiya...Tab Aap Ne Kaha Ki Husam
Asal Urdu Me Thi..Bhai Jan...Husam Kya Hai Mai Aap ko Uper Bata Aiya..Ab Aap
Kahiye..Kya Aap Bhi Wo Hi nahi Kahe Rahe Ki Ibarat Urdu Me Pesh Huwi..Balke Ek
khadam Age Badh Kar Aap Ne Yaha tak Kahe Diya Ki Ulama E Arab Ne Fatwa Bhi Urdu
Me Diya Hai..
Kyon ki Aap ka Ye Jumla ➡ Kya Husam
Asal Me Urdu Kitab Nahi Hai..Ye Hi Zahir Karta Hai
Aap Ne Kaha ➡
[[[ Aap ne Kufra sabit kar diya..to Janab
mai ne kaha tha...Jurjani r.a. ka. Matlab aur thanvi.r.a. ka matlab ek hi hai
ye meri sabse badi galti thi..agar aap ye jumla likha hua dikhadenge to kufra
sabit hoga..]]]
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Janab..Sabit karna Ise Hi Kahete Hai..Kyon
Ki Aap aiye The Us Ibarat Ka Difa Karne Difa karne..Aur Chunke Aap Us Ibarat Ko
Galath Nahi Samjhte The..To Zahir Si Bat Hai Ki Aap Ke Zahen Me Kuch Tha Jise
Aap us Ibarat Ki Difa Samjhte The..Bas Aap Ne Use pesh Kiya Aur Maine Usi Se
Kufr Sabit kar Diya...Ha Ye Alag bat Hai ki Aap Ne sara Bhoj Apne Nazuk Khandu
Per Utha Liya..Ye kahe kar ➡ [[[Ye Meri Galathi Hai..]]]
Khair Baqi Ki Bato Ko Nazar Andaz Karte
Huwe Mai Asal Mudde Per Aata Hu..
Aap Ne Kaha Ki Mai Ager Usi Ibarat Ko Aap
Ke Ulama Se Bata Du...K Unhone Bhi Ise Apne Difa Me Pesh Kiya Hai..Tab Aap Ke
Nazdik Bhi Ye Kufr Sabit Ho Jayega..To Chaliye Waha Se Batata Hu..Jin ka Difa
Aap Kar Rahe Ho..Yani Ashref Thanvi Sab Hi Se Bata Deta Hu K unhone Hi
"Bastul Banan" Me Is Ibarat Ko Naqal Kiya Hai..Ye Kahete huwe Ki Meri
➡Apni Ibarat
Ke Mushaba Ibarat Naql karta Hu.⬅
SCAN..../"/
Ye Lijiye Janab...Aap Hi Ki Jamat Ke Hakim
Ul Ummat Sab Ki Kitab Ka Hawala..Scan Ke Sath De Diya Hai...Ibarat Bhi Wo Hi Jo
Aap Laye The..Ab Kahiye Ab To Jo Kasar Baqi Rahe Gai Thi Wo Bhi Puri Kar Di..Ab
Waqt Aa Gaya Hai...Ki Aap Haq Ko Qubul Karte Hai Ya Phir Se Koi Nayi Bat Le
Aate Hai..
[25/01 12:07 PM] Abdul Majid: Mai bhi zyada
lamba tabsira karna nahi chahta.,..Ek baat aap samajh nahi pa rahe hai..Mai jo
meri sab se badi galti bata raha hu wo galti kya hai wo aap achchi tarah samajh
lijiye..
Aap ne jo kufra sabit kiya tha sirf is bina
per ke..Jurjani r.a. ilm me kalam farma rahe hai...us per mera ye kahna ke dono
ka matlab ek hi hai...Be shak ye meri galti thi. Thanvi r.a. ki ibarat ke kitne
matlab nikalte hai..ye alag masla hai. Jurjani r.a. ilm me kalam farma rahe hai
uski wajah se aap ne kufra sabit kiya tha jo meri galti thi..aur maine jo kaha
aap likha hua dikhadenge jab ye mere olama ka moquf hoga..Wazah rahe ilm wali
baat.
[25/01 4:01 PM] Abdul Majid: ⬆⬆⬆Aap ne ye
scan bheji..kya aap ye kahna chahte hai ke thanvi r.a. ne ye likha hai ke
jurjani r.a. ka matlab aur mera matlab ek hi hai.
Dusri baat..aap ne kaha ye wahi ibarat hai
jo maine pesh ki thi..to janab maine ye ibarat pesh ki thi ye mudda yaha per
nahi hai..Mudda ye hai ke..in dono ka matlab ek hi hai..Aap ne jo scan bheji
hai kya usse ye lazim aata hai..jo mera mudda hai..?
Agar ha to kaise..?
Jawab aap ke zimme.
Phir aap ne kaha..Ab aap haq ko qubul karte
hai ya phir se koi nai baat le aate hai..Jo janab aap ne koi jawab hi nahi diya
aur aur mai kaise man loon..
[29/01 12:19 AM] Mushtaq Ahmed: Abdul Majid
sab..Aap ne Kaha Ki..Hifzul Iman Me Etlaq Ki Bahes Hai na Ki Ilm Shareef Ki...
Phir Aap Ne Maana ki Ager us Me Ilm Ki
Bahes Ho To Wo Aap Ke nazdik Bhi Gustakhi Hai..
Phir Aap Ne Ek ibarat Bheji Aur kaha Ki Is
Ibarat ka Aur Hifzul Iman Ki Ibarat Ka Matlab Ek Hi Hai...
Jab Maine Ye Sabit Kiya Ki Us Ibarat Me Ilm
Shareef Ki Bahes Chal Rahi Hai...To Lazim Aiya ki Hifzul Iman Me Bhi Ilm Hi Ki
Bahes Hai..jo Aap Ke Nazdik Bhi Gustakhi Hai..
Is per Aap Ne Kaha ki Mujh Se Galt Huwi..K
Us Ibarat ka Aur Hifzul Iman Ka Matlab Ek Hi Hai..
Is Per Maine kaha Ki Ye Hi Bat Aap ke
Akabir Se Sabit Hai..
Jis Per Aap Ne Mujh Se Dalil Talb ki..Ab
Final Bat Ye Hai.....Ki jo Scan Mai Ne aap Ko Thanvi Sab Ki kitab Se Di
Hai...Jis Me Ilm Ki Bahes chal Rahi Hai..Mere Zimme Sirf Ye Batana Hai ki Khud
Thanvi Sab Man Rahe Hai Ki Mera aur Is Ibarat Ka matlab Ek Hi Hai..
⬆⬆⬆⬆
Janab Sirf Is Ka Jawab Dijiye...In Shaa
Allah Agli Post Me mai Ye Sabit Kar Dunga Ki Us Ibarat Ka Aur Thanvi Sab Ka
Matlab Ek Hi Hai..
[29/01 11:41 AM] Abd Majid: Aap ne kaha ke
hifzul iman me etlaq ki bahas hai na ke ilm sharif ki..Ye sirf mera dawa nahi
balke tamam akabirin olama ka hai is me koi ikhtilaf nahi hai.Aap ne kaha
janab..sirf iska jawab dijiye..Wo to mai aap se pahle bhi kah chuka hoon ke in
dono ka matlab ek hi hai ab aap dusri daleel bhej dijiye..Uske baad hum phir se
isi topic per baat karenge kuch sharton ke saath munazra ki tarah
Iska kya matlab hua..
[29/01 12:36 PM] Mushtaq Ahmed:
Bhai Aap Ki Bat Ne Tajjub Me Dal Diya...➡Us Ke Bad Hum
Phir Se Isi Topic Per Bat Karenge
Jab K Puri Bat Mukammal Ho Chuki Hai..Ki Us
Ibarat Ne Itlaq Ki Bahes Hai..Ilm Ki Nahi. Aur Ager Ilm Ki Bahes Hai To Aap Ke
Nazdik Bhi Gustakhi Hai. Aur Us Ibarat Me Ilm Ki Bat Chal Rahi Hai Jo Aap Ne
Allama Jurjani Ki Layi Thi..Sirf Dekhna Ye Hai Ki Aap Ke Ulama Ne Ye Maana Hai
K Nahi..K Us Ibarat Ka Aur Hifzul Iman Ki Ibarat Ka matlab Ek Hi hai..Aur Mai
Is Ki Dalil Bhi De Chuka...Ha Ye Alag Bat Hai k Aap Ko Us Me Ye Kahi nazar Nahi
Aiya Ki ➡ Hifzul Iman Ki Ibarat Aur Wo
Ibarat ka Matlab Ek Hi Hai..To Mere Zimme Ye Bachta Hai Ki Jo Scan Mai Ne Dala
Hai..Ashref thanvi Sab ka...Mai Us se Ye Batau ki Dono Ibarat Ka matlab Ek Hi Hai..Ager Mai
Batane Me Kamiyab Ho Jata hu To Wo Hi Sab Sabit Ho Jayegi jo mera Dawa Hai...Ha
Nahi Batane Ki Surat me Phir Koi Nai Dalil Ager Mere Pas Hai To Mai Pesh
Karunga..Aur Nahi To Ye Sabit Ho Jayega Ki Mai Hifzul Iman Ki Ibarat Ko Kufriya
Sabit Nahi Kar Paya..
Ab Ye Aap Ne Jo Bat Ki Hai wo Hairat Me
Dalne Hi Wali Hai...Ki Phir Se Nayi Bahes..Mere Ye Samjh Nahi Aata Ki Jab Mai
Sabit Kar Hi Dunga Jaisa Ki Uper Maine Bayan Kiya Hai..To Is me Bachta hi Kya
Hai..?
[29/01 6:31 PM] Abdul Majid: Aapki baat
khatm ho gai Ya kuch baki hai..?
[29/01 6:36 PM] Mushtaq Ahmed: Aap Kahe
Dijiye..
[29/01 6:49 PM] Abdul Majid: Bhai Apni baat
hui jab hi maine kaha tha isi topic per phirse baat karenge ab ki baar mai
insha allah achche se achchi baat karunga achche se achche dalail dunga.
Bolo manzur hai?
Aur agar aap ko koi mujhse aitraz hai to
bataiye mai usme bhi sudhar karunga.
[31/01 7:35 AM] Mushtaq Ahmed: Abdul Majid
Bhai Mujhe Ye Samjh Nahi Aata Ki Jab Aap Ne Koi Galti Ki Hi Nahi..Kyon ki jo Aap
ne Pesh Kiya Wo Maine Aap Ke Ulama Se Sabit Kiya..To jab Ye Aap Ka Nahi Balke
Aap Ke Ulama Ka Mauqif Hai..To Naye Sire Se Bat Karne Ka Kya Matlab...Khair Ho
Sake To Mai Aap Ki Is Kawahish Ko Bhi Pura Karunga..Lekin Pahele Aap Ye Wala
Masla To Suljahaye..jis Se Ashref Thanvi Sab Ki Ibarat kufr Sabit Ho Gayi Hai..
Mai Aap ko Majbur Nahi Karta..Ager Ye Aap
Ka Zati Mauqif Hota..Lekin Aap Ki Bad Kismati Ki Ye Hi Mauqif Aap Ke Ulama Ka
Hai..
[31/01 9:49 AM] Abdul Majid: Maine man liya
ke aap ne sabit kar diya..Aur mujhe iski na to koi khushi hai na koi ghum..
[31/01 9:52 AM] Abdul Majid: Ab ki baar isi
topic per phirse baat karenge. Mushtaq bhai kya hua shuru karna hai ke nahi.?
[02/02 9:19 AM] Mushtaq Ahmed: Abdul Majid
Bhai..Is Umid Per Ki Shayed Aap Is Martaba Haq Qubul Kar Le Maine Aap Ki Bat ko
Qubul Kiya Hai..Aur Aap Ko Ek group Me Add kiya Hu..Mai Ziyada Hi Masruf Raheta
Hu..Aaj Ki Tarreq me 8 Group Me Bat Chal Rahi Hai..Is Liye Waha Aap Se Dusre
Bhai Bat Karenge..Aur Musalsal Bat Hongi In Shaa Allah...Meri Tarah Nahi
ki...Jaise K mai Waqt milne per Comment Karta Hu..
➡Note: Jaisa ke aap Ne Munazra Me dekha Deo Bandi Munazir Abdul Majid
Khatri Sab Ne Is Topic Per Apni Shikist Taslim Ki Aur Mujh Se Ek Zid Karne lage
Ki Ek Martaba Wo Is Topic Per Aur Munazra Karna Chahate Hai..Halanke Un Ki
Shikist Ke Bad Dusri Martaba Bat Karne Ka Suwal Hi Paida Nahi Hota..Lekin Sirf
Is Ummid Per Ke Ab Ki Martaba Wo Haq Qubul Kar Lenge Maine Bahes Ke liye Hami
Bhar Di..Lekin Us waqt Meri Bhaut Sare Groups Me Bat Chal Rahi thi jis Bina Per
mai Waqt Nahi Nikal Pa Raha Tha...Mai Ne Ahele Sunnat Ke Ek Qabil Mumazir
"Imran Bhai" ( Sunni Lion ) Se Un Ki Bat Karwa Di...Aur Us Bahes Ka
Natija 3 Ya 4 Din Me Ek Bar Phir Ahle Sunnat Wa Jama'at Ki Fateh Ki shakl Me
Aiya الحمدللہ ....Lekin Mujh Ko Bhaut Afsoos Hai ki Wo Munazra Mere pas Mahefuz
Na Rahe Saka...Chunke Wo Munazra Dusre Group (Izhar e Haq) Me Huwa Tha Aur Mai
Aksar Groups Ki Chat Ko Clear Kar Deta Hu..
Khair..Is Me Bhi Abdul Majid Sahab Ko Jab
Shikist Huwi To Pichli Bar Ki Tarah Unhone Ise Bhi Aalal Elan Qubul Kiya.
Lekin Had To Jab Ho Gayi Jab Wo 3ri Martaba
Is Per Bahes Karwane Ka Mutaleba Karne Lage..Aur Is Bar Un Ka Kahena Tha Ki Deo
Bandi Alim Kamal Ansari Munazra Karna Chahate Hai..Khair Bhaut Sari Bahes Ke
Bad Mai Is Ke Liye Bhi Taiyar Huwa...Aur jab Kamal Ansari Ko Bhi Shikast Ka
Samna karna Padha Tab Bhi Abdul Majid Sahab Ne Un Ki Shikist Qubul Ki..Lekin Is
Bar Alal Aylan Nahi Balke Personal Me..
Khair, Kamal Ansari Sahab Ise Apni Shikist
Manne Ko Taiyar Nahi The..jis Wajah Se Bat Mubahile Per Chali Gayi..
Aur kamal Ki Bat Ye Hai Ki Mubahile Ka
Challenge Khud Kamal Sahab Ne Diya...Aur Jab Is Faqeer Ne Use Qubul Kiya To
Kamal Sab Ne Kamal Karte Huwe Us Ka jawab Bhi Nahi Diya Jaise Un Ke Phone Me Wo
Message Dekhai Hi Na De Raha Ho..Haa..Haa..
Jis per Mai Ne Un Ki Khub Kinchayi ki..Is
Wajah Se Abdul Majid Sab Ki Gairat Jagi Aur Unhone Mera Challenge Ka Jawab
Diya..
Aur Akhir kar Abdul Majid Khatri (Deo
bandi)
Mushtaq Ahmad Qadri
Hum dono Ke Bich Mubahila Huwa...Jis Ka
Subut Niche Diya ja Raha Hai..⬇⬇⬇
[15/03 10:18 PM] Mushtaq Ahmed: Mera
(Mushtaq Ahmed Shafi Ahmed Sakin Aurangabad Raheminiya Colony Gali No. 1) Dawa
Hai Ki..Hifzul Iman Ki Ibarat Kufriya Ibarat Hai Aur Is Wajah Se Thanvi Per
Kufr Sabit Hota Hai Lihaza Wo Kafir Hai Isi Tarah Se jo Fatwa Husam Me Hai Ki
In Ke Charo Akbir "Gangohi" "Tahnvi" "Ambetwi"
"Nanotwi" Sab Kafir Hai Aur Un Ke Kufr Per Agah Ho Kar jo Inhe Kafir
Na Kahe Ya Us Me Tawquf Kare Ya Shak Kare Ya In Ke Azab Me Shak Kare Wo Bhi
Kafir Hai...
Husam Me Sarkar Aala Hazrat (رضی اللہ تعالٰی
عنہ) Ne Na Hi Koi Ibarat Ka Matlab Aisa Bayan Kiya jis Ka Matlab Wo Na Niklta
Ho Ya Us Ka koi Achcha Matlab Bhi Niklta Tha Na Ulma E Arab Ko Dokha Diya Aur
Na Ulma E Arab Ne Apne Fatwa Se Ruju Kiya...Jaisa Ki Ulama E Dev Band Jhoot ka
Sahara Le Kar Apne johala Ko Mazeed Gumarahi Ke Tarik Gaddhe Me Dakhelte
Hai..Aur Dev Band Ek Naya Batil firqa Hai jis ka Ahele Sunnat Wa Jama'at Se koi
Taluq Nahi...jo Misal Maine Pesh Ki Thi Photo Wali Us ka Aur thanvi ki Ibarat Ek Hi Mafhum Nikalta Hai...
⬆⬆⬆⬆⬆⬆⬆
Abdul Majid Khatri Ka Dawa Mere Dawe
Ke Bar Aks Hai..
Aye Allah Hum me jis ka Dawa Jhoota Hai Us
Ko Aisi Dardnaak Aur Zillat Bhari 7 Din me
Maut De jo Sab Ke Liye Nasihat Ban jaye...Aur Batil Ka Chahera Be Naqab Ho
Jaye..Aye Allah Tere Bargah me Niyahat Hi Ajizi Se Duwa Hai Tujh Ko Tere Habib
(صلی اللہ علیہ و سلم) ka Wasta Is ka Faisla Farma Aur Meri Duwa Ko Qubul Kar
Take Mazeed Log Gumrahiyat Se Mahfuz Ho Jaye...
آمین یا رب العالمین
Ab Majid Sab Aur Group Ke Deegar Membaran
Bhi Ameen Kahe...
[15/03 10:27 PM] +91 70703 00118: Allahuma Aameen
[15/03 10:32 PM] +91 93246 41171: Summa Ameeen ...
[15/03 10:41 PM] Abdul Majid Khatri:
Allahumma Aamin.
DEO BAND KA BATIL PER HONE KA EK AUR KHULA
SUBUT...
Jab Mubahila Huwa Dusre Din Deo Bandi Munazir Abdul Majid
Kahtri Ne dar Ke Mare Is Mubahile se Tauba Ki Aur Mujh Se Maufi Mangi Phir
Group ko Chor Diya..
[16/03 5:43 AM] Abdul Majeed
Khatri[+919391058270]:
Mushtaq bhai..Mujhe Maaf karna...mai
mubahila nahi karna chahta hoo...maine gaflat me hami bhardi thi..mera iman
itna pokhta nahi hai ke mai mubahila kar saku...wazah rahe mai mere iman ki
baat kar raha hoo...jo bahat kamzor hai...umid hai aap log meri baat samajh
jayenge.
⬆⬆ mere paas is sawal ka jawab nahi hai..Ab
mai apne aap ko remove kar raha hoo..
Note: Iss Munazra me takreeban Aise Mauzuat per Bahas hai Jo Aaj kal Deo Bandi Bada Le kar Nachte hai..Ummeed hai Hamare Sunni Bhaio ko Ye Padhkar Fayda Hoga..
End of Munazra...
